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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by StringBean View Post
    Right, people sacrificing privacy for a false promise of security. I do recall reading about that in history books. How did that end again?
    Alien and sedition acts, genocide, manifest destiny, imperialism and conquest, etc.
    I love the NSA. It's like having a secret fan-base you will never see, but they're there, watching everything you write and it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside knowing that I may be some person's only form of unconstitutional entertainment one night.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Collecting data on folks suspected of criminal or terrorist activity is one thing.

    Collecting data on all Americans whether or not they are suspected of terrorism or crimes? Nope, that goes too far.

    Time to change the program so that the only calls that can be monitored include the number of at least one suspected foreign terrorist.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    why not just repeal the patriot act?

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Think this is actually good this came to light. 6 months ago, I believed that most within the government bureaucracy could remain apolitical and not allow the information at the their privy to be abused for political purposes. Crazy what a few months can do.

    Frankly, not really sure you can hide behind national security on this, there is truly too much data to make much out of it. I'm sure they can get lucky putting in the right algorithm here and there but seems like a pretty big waste of resources for national security purposes. This just highlights our abysmal failure with human intelligence since the end of the Cold War.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    why not just repeal the patriot act?
    Because some of it is useful.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcogito View Post
    I have been trying to find an authoritative definition of "whistelblowing" but none that I find say it only applied to illegal activities. For example:

    "The disclosure by a person, usually an employee in a government agency or private enterprise, to the public or to those in authority, of mismanagement, corruption, illegality, or some other wrongdoing."
    Whistleblowing legal definition of Whistleblowing. Whistleblowing synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.

    Most the definitions say something like "illegality OR wrongdoing".

    Wrongdoing is definitely a moral call.

    While I donít consider Manning a whistleblower since he didnít even know what he was leaking, I DO consider this man a whistleblower. He made a conscientious decision to leak information on a specific program that he felt was morally wrong. Now, the information was classified so he definitely broke the law, but it is still whistleblowing.
    Did he release any information? Or did he blow the whistle on an operation that violated the civil rights of millions of Americans?
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Whistle-blowing is revealing illegal acts. It's not about revealing top-secret information.
    You've got to be kidding me. You don't consider being spied on, or that of hundreds of millions of people illegal and unconstitutional?

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    This guy released classified information on a program that HE believed to be unConstitutional.

    He is a whistleblower. Let's not debate such a clear issue.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Whistle-blowing is revealing illegal acts. It's not about revealing top-secret information.
    He and many others believe the government operation is unConstitutional.

    That makes him a whistleblower.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    You've got to be kidding me. You don't consider being spied on, or that of hundreds of millions of people illegal and unconstitutional?
    Unlike you, apparently, I'm not sure what powers the Patriot Act gave the government....*shrug*
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