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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    False dilemma.
    ???

    It's a hypothetical. Unless you think the two could never be at loggerheads.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    snowdun goin to Iceland and hes going to tell all the stuff.
    that's gud cause obammy is bad, grunt, grunt.
    and god blus murica!

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    So you're saying you have the freedom to break laws? If you put it that way, we all have the freedom to do anything we want, so what's the issue?
    No, I said nothing of the kind. I said that the police are not there to prevent crime, they are there to bring those that break the law, to justice after the fact. It is the deterrence of the sentencing that is there to prevent future, along with the social ties to values, and understanding of living in a civil society that is taught through religion in our lives that gives us the ability to check ourselves...

    It slowed down Microsoft quite a bit in the 1990s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...ion#Settlement
    Are you saying that Apple's competition had nothing to do in slowing down Microsoft's seeming take of monopoly of the industry? I'd say that is naive to say the least.

    I never suggested otherwise.
    You didn't? So then you also are of the mind that this administration and its agencies are corrupted?

    You said that freedom versus security was a false dilemma, that it didn't have to be that way. I'm telling you that in general, that's exactly what happens. If you're no longer saying that's the case, then there
    We disagree.

    The accountability is there in closed sessions. Not in the open, for the whole world to see.
    That's priceless! An exact dichotomy in two concurring sentences....

    Increased from when? It's been like this since well before Obama.
    You know this for a fact? Ok, let's see your proof. Because as far as I know, along with those from the prior administration, are saying that there was NEVER a blanket collecting of everyone's call patterns in the country.

    Not if it's in the open.
    What are you talking about? Do you know? Just above you just tried to say that accountability is done behind closed doors, which I would argue that smoke filled rooms, with the back slappers, and progressive allies in congress is NOT accountability to the people in any manner, now you want me to believe that lying is ok as long as it is in open hearing? No sir. That's wrong, no matter how you slice it.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Speaking of Apple, even Steve Wozniak has now come out to thank Snowden for his courageous actions.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, I said nothing of the kind. I said that the police are not there to prevent crime, they are there to bring those that break the law, to justice after the fact. It is the deterrence of the sentencing that is there to prevent future, along with the social ties to values, and understanding of living in a civil society that is taught through religion in our lives that gives us the ability to check ourselves...
    So then freedom and security are on a spectrum.

    Are you saying that Apple's competition had nothing to do in slowing down Microsoft's seeming take of monopoly of the industry? I'd say that is naive to say the least.
    Did I say that? No. The point is freedom and security are on a spectrum.

    You didn't? So then you also are of the mind that this administration and its agencies are corrupted?
    I don't care/not the subject. The subject is that freedom and security are on a spectrum.

    We disagree.
    I guess. You think it's not, that's interesting.

    That's priceless! An exact dichotomy in two concurring sentences....
    That's what spy agencies do. There's no reason for them to speak out in the open.

    You know this for a fact? Ok, let's see your proof. Because as far as I know, along with those from the prior administration, are saying that there was NEVER a blanket collecting of everyone's call patterns in the country.
    That's what PRISM does, man.

    What are you talking about? Do you know? Just above you just tried to say that accountability is done behind closed doors, which I would argue that smoke filled rooms, with the back slappers, and progressive allies in congress is NOT accountability to the people in any manner, now you want me to believe that lying is ok as long as it is in open hearing? No sir. That's wrong, no matter how you slice it.
    The people are represented by Congress, not the Washington Post or Reddit. You're not gonna know the truth unless you have a security clearance and the need to know.

    It sounds like to you this is about Obama. I couldn't give a **** about partisan politics.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    I love how our government rapes the Constitution then attempts to punish those who call "bull****" with treason and cite their reasoning with "congressional acts."

    What do people expect when our government is composed of primarily lawyers?

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I love how our government rapes the Constitution then attempts to punish those who call "bull****" with treason and cite their reasoning with "congressional acts."

    What do people expect when our government is composed of primarily lawyers?
    can you not use a word that describes a massive violation and invasion of bodily autonomy as a buzzword for your elementary political analysis

    dear god man

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    OWO

    Here's a little news item for you--Congress, which represents us, is utterly corrupt. It is owned, lock, stock and barrel, by Wall Street and special interests. It don't give a flying fart for the american people, except a few good men, a distinct minority there.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by instagramsci View Post
    can you not use a word that describes a massive violation and invasion of bodily autonomy as a buzzword for your elementary political analysis

    dear god man
    The government has violated the Constitution. You didn't know that?

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The government has violated the Constitution. You didn't know that?
    Don't be obtuse

    You can't "rape" a piece of paper it's not a person

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