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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

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    Compared to a person who has never read or studied the document, I am more qualified.
    Sure. But federal judges have. And you're unqualified in comparison.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Sure. But federal judges have. And you're unqualified in comparison.
    Don't make any claims for your federal judges or any of your other judges, including the supreme court. It's been clearly shown that they decide issues based on political bias and also racial bias. This makes some laypersons better authorities. Even the libertarians and the baggers should have that figured out by now.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    the chump channels cheney

    President Obama is having a hard time defending the gushing leaks from the NSA's surveillance programs. It's not because he finds them indefensible; he seems emphatic that although he was worried about these programs as a senator and candidate, seeing them in action and seeing the oversights in place put him at ease.

    But here's the problem with selling these programs to those who mistrust them: The average citizen can't go through that same process the president did. Despite the leaks, there's not much public transparency with the programs. Companies involved are ordered not to talk, proceedings in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court are secret, and lawmakers have only just begun explaining to the press how they've overseen the process.

    When first asked about the program by a reporter on June 7, Obama said he trusts in the oversight system in place, and gave assurances that the system involves all three branches of government. "In the abstract, you can complain about Big Brother and how this is a potential program run amok," he said, "but when you actually look at the details, then I think we've struck the right balance."

    But the ordinary citizen can't look at the details.

    In the same answer, the president said, "I welcome this debate. And I think it's healthy for our democracy."

    But we wouldn't be having this debate if everyone followed the law and there was no leak.

    So how do you defend a program whose broad details have been exposed but the finer points need to be kept in the dark? President Obama will appear with Charlie Rose on Monday night on PBS to take another stab at it. Based on a transcript of the interview, his defense follows more or less the same lines. "So, on this telephone program, you've got a federal court with independent federal judges overseeing the entire program," the president told Rose. "And you've got Congress overseeing the program, not just the intelligence committee and not just the judiciary committee but all of Congress had available to it before the last reauthorization exactly how this program works."

    For some, this answer will be enough. For others, it will never be because the argument is reduced to "if you trust the system, you should trust the NSA." And American trust of public institutions is as low as it has ever been.
    President Obama's Uphill Defense of the NSA Surveillance: Trust Us, Because ... Trust Us - NationalJournal.com

    coffee joe scarborough opened msnbc this morning with this clip:

    Obama Defends "Transparent" NSA Spying Program: I'm Not Dick Cheney | RealClearPolitics

    half the panel erupted in laughter

    stay tuned

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    And that's the beginning of the end of this 'get the black president' rightwing conspiracy too. So what's left now?

    Have all the wheels fallen off that old Benghazi train yet?

    Come on, you owe us the laugh!

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    lol Utah. It's like you know nothing of
    the RSOCs.
    Well then enlighten me. 5 Zeta-bytes of data capacity...

    Whats it for ? Al Qaueda ? The Taliban ?

    Explain.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael66 View Post
    And that's the beginning of the end of this
    'get the black president' rightwing conspiracy too. So what's left now?

    Have all the wheels fallen off that old Benghazi train yet?

    Come on, you owe us the laugh!
    I only critique Obama's White half, and his economic killing policies, his lies, his incompetence, his affiliations, his bankrupt failure of a ideology.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    rightwing conspiracy
    charlie rose is racist

    LOL!

    you unlock this door with the key of the kkk...

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael66 View Post
    Don't make any claims for your federal judges or any of your other judges, including the supreme court. It's been clearly shown that they decide issues based on political bias and also racial bias. This makes some laypersons better authorities. Even the libertarians and the baggers should have that figured out by now.
    lol no it doesn't. It's been shown that air traffic controllers **** up, that doesn't mean people would be better off if you or I stumbled our way up there and starting pressing buttons and telling pilots to do things.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Well then enlighten me. 5 Zeta-bytes of data capacity...

    Whats it for ? Al Qaueda ? The Taliban ?

    Explain.
    You think you know about data capacity? You don't know how many people work for the NSA or what their budget is, but someone told you something about zetabytes (sic, the word is zettabyte) and you believe it.

    But that's not even what I'm talking about. The NSA has many facilities in several places and they're by no means secret. But OMG THEY'RE BUILDING ONE IN UTAH?! LET'S ALL PANIC!!!
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    You think you know about data
    capacity? You don't know how many people work for the NSA or what their budget is, but someone told you something about zetabytes (sic, the word is zettabyte) and you believe it.

    But that's not even what I'm talking about. The NSA has many facilities in several places and they're by no means secret. But OMG THEY'RE BUILDING ONE IN UTAH?! LET'S ALL PANIC!!!

    Actually 5 Zeta-bytes equates to the memory of 321 Billion I-Phones, and trust me, by your response you don't know much either.

    1 Zetabytes equates to enough I-Phones stacked flat to exceed the distance of the moon.

    So, if your'e not going to be specific then I have to assume your ignorant.

    Problem is ignorance is no excuse for indifference or apathy.

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