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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcogito View Post
    Yeah, me too. I was careful to say “based just on what I currently know”. While I am still glad he leaked the surveillance info, all the other info he has been releasing has flipped my opinion of him and his motives.
    Hell of a thing ain't it. You have to love him to be able to hate Obama but patriotism just starts getting in the way. What's a murican to do now?

    Oh, and what were the other things he blabbed about that changed your mind, or did you just imagine all that?

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Been approved by all 3 branches, but flies in the face of the Fourth Amendment?
    You're not more qualified than federal judges to interpret the constitution. I'm sorry.

    All that really confirms is that the government assaults the Constitution as it pleases. All that proves is that the rule of law is dead in this country and that Orwell was bloody well prescient.
    It confirms that you care more about your interpretation of a 200+ year document than anyone else's and you care more about that than you do the welfare of the American people.

    If there was a dispute between the constitution and protecting the American people- and this isn't an example of one- would you side with the constitution or your people? Hmmm.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    The morons here are the people who think for a instant that the US Government needs to build a facillity that has the capacity to hold 5 ZETA-BYTES OF DATA.

    The morons are the people who can't come to the obvious and instant conclusion that this has nothing to do with "terroist".

    The morons are the ones who will give up a fraction of their liberty for safety, stupidly thinking they Government has their best interest in mind.

    It's real simple.

    All you have to do is.....the math.

    The new NSA facillity in UTAH. What's a Zeta Byte, and how much information can the US Govt store with 5 of them at their disposal and does capacity equate to the threat of "terrorism" ?
    lol Utah. It's like you know nothing of the RSOCs.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    side with the constitution or your people
    obama yesterday: "in the end and what i’ve said and i continue to believe is that we don’t have to sacrifice our freedom in order to achieve security, that’s a false choice"

    pbs above

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    You're not more qualified than federal judges
    obama: "violation of the basic civil liberties of the american people," "abuse of power"

    us intelligence official (quoted by nbc's isikoff): "unreasonable under the 4th amendment"

    odni: "circumvented the spirit of the law"

    fisa court: "reached the same conclusion"

    links above

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    what were the other things he blabbed about that changed your mind
    ask obama

    what on the campaign trail in 08 was a "violation of the basic civil liberties of the american people" and an "abuse of power" is last week in sunny san jose a "modest encroachment on privacy"

    Obama On NSA Program: "Modest Encroachments On Privacy Are Involved" | RealClearPolitics

    he's matured

    Obama: Surveillance Debate A "Sign of Maturity" That Wouldn't Have Happend 5-6 Years Ago | RealClearPolitics

    LOL!

    no wonder the nyt says "obama has lost all credibility"

    (we all know about abramson...)

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    You're not more qualified than federal judges to interpret the constitution. I'm sorry.



    It confirms that you care more about your interpretation of a 200+ year document than anyone else's and you care more about that than you do the welfare of the American people.

    If there was a dispute between the constitution and protecting the American people- and this isn't an example of one- would you side with the constitution or your people? Hmmm.
    Compared to a person who has never read or studied the document, I am more qualified.

    Compared to any other layman (non lawyer) who has read and studied the document, I am ordinary, or maybe a cut above.

    See, English is my first language, and the document was written in English. Not complex English, but fairly ordinary English. It was meant so that the comman man of 1787 could understand it. Indeed, it was debated by many of the time, with the Federalist Papers being the formal exposition of the proposed document.

    Having taken an oath to protect and defend the document, and being a bit nostalgic and sentimental, I'll side with protecting the document from its domestic enemies, and letting the people fend for themselves.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Compared to a person who has never read or studied the document, I am more qualified.

    Compared to any other layman (non lawyer) who has read and studied the document, I am ordinary, or maybe a cut above.

    See, English is my first language, and the document was written in English. Not complex English, but fairly ordinary English. It was meant so that the comman man of 1787 could understand it. Indeed, it was debated by many of the time, with the Federalist Papers being the formal exposition of the proposed document.

    Having taken an oath to protect and defend the document, and being a bit nostalgic and sentimental, I'll side with protecting the document from its domestic enemies, and letting the people fend for themselves.
    The kneejerk support you people used to be getting for upholding all those old documents is really wearing thin for libertarians. Even more than you are noticing because to challenge them is a motherhood issue on which people can't trample. But common sense and modern thinking is going to trump it all for you and thereby take away a good half of what libertarians ever had going for them. Then what's left? Racism? Obama hate? Obscure ideals of such wingnuts as Rand Paul?

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    wearing thin for libertarians
    ACLU Files Suit Against NSA CBS DC

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    You know, they say there is no way to link these records with people - but to what extent is this true, what extent is it not given the ability to do a reverse lookup on numbers - maybe not well compared to various government agencies, if possible, and maybe not all numbers...
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