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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    the constitutional scholar cum cic is clueless:

    President Obama’s comments condemning military sexual assault and suggesting that those convicted be punished with, among other things, a dishonorable discharge may be backfiring on his efforts to root out the growing problem.

    In pretrial hearings in two cases, a Navy judge in Hawaii ruled this week that Obama had exerted “unlawful command influence” as commander-in-chief in outlining the specific “consequences” he saw fit for members of the military convicted of sexual assault.

    As a result of Navy Judge Cmdr. Marcus Fulton’s rulings, the defendants in United States v. Johnson and United States v. Fuentes can’t be punitively discharged, even if they’re convicted of sexual assault. Stars and Stripes first reported on the rulings.

    “I expect consequences,” Obama said at a press conference in early May that came just as the Pentagon released a report detailing rising incidences of sexual assaults in 2012. “So I don’t just want more speeches or awareness programs or training, but ultimately folks look the other way. If we find out somebody’s engaging in this, they’ve got to be held accountable — prosecuted, stripped of their positions, court martialed, fired, dishonorably discharged. Period.”

    Fulton wrote in his ruling that Obama’s comments raise “concern” because they “may indicate that a particular result is required of the military justice system.”

    As soon as Obama made his off-the-cuff comment, military lawyers began to voice concern that his comments might be detrimental. “I thought of the unlawful command influence issue as soon as he spoke,” said James Mackler, a private attorney and Army reserve lawyer who was involved in sexual assault cases while on active duty.

    The principle behind it is a sound principle, which is that in the military there is a lot of pressure to follow the directives of your commanders, including the president,” he said. “It’s a legitimate problem.”

    As a lawyer, Obama knows to be cautious in speaking about specific cases — as he has been for the past week in not speaking out on Edward Snowden — but may not be as familiar with the military justice system, Mackler said, where unlawful command influence creates problems, as it has in these cases and likely many more to come.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Man, does Washington assume the masses (and their representatives) are IDIOTS.

    These surveillance techniques saved terrorist attacks?

    Whatever.

    Any idiot can claim something he knows that he never has to prove.


    And there comes a point, IMO, where too much intrusion is no longer worth it...no matter how proven the techniques.


    There is NO WAY to be completely safe from terrorist attacks.

    And so long as America runs around the world, bombing innocent people and propping up horrible regimes (like Saudi Arabia) - I expect that more Americans will be killed by terrorists.

    That is the price you pay for having such a pathetic foreign policy.


    But I am not prepared to give up my freedoms for that security.

    And if that means a greater risk of attack...so be it.


    Liberty and Freedom should NEVER be compromised out of fear...or the terrorists win without firing a shot.
    Agreed, completely.

    And of course the statistical probability of my being harmed in a terrorist attack are still about the same as my being struck by lightning.

    But we never hear that little fact mentioned by Brian Williams or any other talking head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    You care while your metadata is being legally collected, lol.

    How's that hero of yours Snowden doing?
    Show me where I called him my hero. And BTW, legal does not mean no damage is being done. But that doesn't interest you.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Show me where I called him my hero. And BTW, legal does not mean no damage is being done. But that doesn't interest you.
    You didn't say that at first you were leaning in the camp of throwing the guy a parade?

    And yeah, I do care about damage being done, that's why I'm okay with the metadata collection: to prevent damage from being done. But before we can even get to that, people around here need to stop saying that what happened wasn't legal. It was. It is.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    If we hear more from Snowden then it can only be a positive thing for Obama. If Snowden should speak up on the Syrian conflict then it could completely blow the cover on US intentions on Syria and then on Iran. That would definitely be in Obama's interest as it's plainly evident that he is opposed to US intervention in Syria.

    It appears that Snowden is just smart enough to be able to understand all this! And what could be of greater priority to a person with his priorities than stopping another phony US led war?

    We can only hope!

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    Isn't it ironic! This is the place where Obama haters and Obama supporters can come together and work for the same honest objectives!

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    You didn't say that at first you were leaning in the camp of throwing the guy a parade?

    And yeah, I do care about damage being done, that's why I'm okay with the metadata collection: to prevent damage from being done. But before we can even get to that, people around here need to stop saying that what happened wasn't legal. It was. It is.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Snowden is this generation's Daniel Ellsberg, and I thank him for it. Him and Bradley both.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Snowden is this generation's Daniel Ellsberg, and I thank him for it. Him and Bradley both.
    But the question is, will you be able to stay consistent on that? You call yourself a libertarian and that leads one to suspect that your motives are not in the interest of anything other than opposing Obama. I suspect that as with Rand Paul, had it been a repub president he would be seeing it as a necessary thing to spy on the people in the obvious interest of national security. And one thing's for sure, if there is another successful terrorist attack against the US, it will be Rand paul and his ilk who are quick to say that Obama didn't do enough. You too?

    edit: You can take solace in the fact that everyone outside your country is siding with Snowden. That could cause you some reason for concern!

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael66 View Post
    But the question is, will you be able to stay consistent on that? You call yourself a libertarian and that leads one to suspect that your motives are not in the interest of anything other than opposing Obama. I suspect that as with Rand Paul, had it been a repub president he would be seeing it as a necessary thing to spy on the people in the obvious interest of national security. And one thing's for sure, if there is another successful terrorist attack against the US, it will be Rand paul and his ilk who are quick to say that Obama didn't do enough. You too?

    edit: You can take solace in the fact that everyone outside your country is siding with Snowden. That could cause you some reason for concern!
    Yes, I will be able to stay consistent on my opinion of both men, though I have met neither. Usually I know good men when I see them, even from a distance, through the media.

    Well I do oppose Obama, just as I opposed Bush before him. And though I voted against Jimmy Carter, once he got in office I greatly admired him.

    Yeah, I saw the pictures of the rallies for Snowden in Hong Kong. People carrying signs saying "Prosecute Obama, let Snowden go" or something like that. The US is the laughing stock of the world, at the same time the world's 800 pound gorilla in the room.

    Sad really, I had hoped for better government.

    Them and Daniel Ellsberg, Ehren Watada, and quite a few others in minor roles that seldom make the news. I'm no Obama fan, Michael. Prematurely categorizing people can backfire.

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