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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Revealing details about intelligence gathering that is separate from the surveillance issues and has nothing to do with surveillance of U.S. citizens is not the "right thing."

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    I think that the people, as a whole, (which includes plumbers etc.) should make our government's policy decisions through their elected representatives. Call it representational democracy. Where to draw the line when security measures conflict with our right to privacy is a decision that should be guided by the constitution and should be made openly.
    The people you elected made that decision. If everyone (the whole country) knew about it, it wouldn't be as effective. Which is what we're going to have to deal with now, thanks to Snowden.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    It would have been worthless to go to congress since the NSA also had congressional approval for this. The only way that they (congress) would have actually examined it is if it was forced to do so. And the only way to force Congress to do an investigation of any kind is by involving the media and citizens.
    We'll never know since he didn't go to Congress first. The other matter, his revelations of intelligence gathering that has nothing to do with surveillance of U.S. citizens, should not have occurred. It suggests that Snowden's issues with the government extended beyond any concerns about the scale of domestic surveillance.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

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    The protections from government excesses in the Bill of Rights are at the heart of our system and have kept the USA one of the least oppressive nations for over two hundred years.
    Least oppressive? Are you high?

    The US has been very middle of the road, no need to kid yourself. So you care more about the Constitution than you do the American people? Interesting. Not me.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    No, I'm not religious so it's not really a holy document.

    But I'm biased in its favor because I took an oath to defend it, back at Fort Bragg in 1969, so I have this sentimental view in favor of it.

    That there are so many like you who do not respect or understand the document and its principles is ONE of the reasons we are in such a mess today, 200+ years after it was adopted.

    The rule of law in governance is important, but I'm sure you disagree with that idea.
    No, I get it. I took an oath to defend it in 2002- a volunteer- and I still work for Uncle Sugar to this day. But I'm not putting the Constitution in front of the American people, let's just say I crossed my fingers for that part. You...don't care, I guess. Cool.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    No, its not a holy document. It is however The Highest Law of the United States of America. No law, edict, order or anything aside from an amendment passed by Congress can trump the Constitution.
    So? I care about the people, you care about a document. Good game.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    LOL @ prof!
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    So? I care about the people, you care about a document. Good game.
    It is for the people that I care for that document as the laws contained with in that document protects the people from a tyrannical government. Nice try on the emotional appeal and spin though.
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