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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    maybe. Thus far his actions seem to indicate that he'd rather live abroad, trading "something" to other governments in return for protection from extradition to the United States.

    Anyone have any guesses what that "something" might be?
    The real Obama birth certificate (in .pdf, of course)?

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    BTW, anyone ever remember just before the Patriot ACT was passed? How the politicians kept telling everyone that the only thing that it would be used for is to search for terrorists? And those that supported it kept saying that "if you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to worry about". Guess all that was a load of BS.

    pfft...another prime example of how the government will abuse its power also.
    I assume 95+% out of the mouths of 99+% of all federal politicians (from both parties) and major bureaucrats is BS.

    Anyone that actually trusts a major, American federal politician/bureaucrat is ridiculously naive, IMO.

    Unfortunately, that probably includes most Americans...or at the very least, a large minority of Americans.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

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    He goes to jail anyway. Revealing national secrets to the public is treason, regardless of his beliefs. He'll be lucky if he gets anything under 25-30 years in prison. Both he and Manning should be executed to make an example for others to think about before they develop delusions of heroism.
    From what I can tell there is a huge difference between Manning and Snowden. Manning leaked all of that information indiscriminately and did so for the sole purpose of hurting the US. Snowden actually leaked just enough information to let the public know that the people of this country are being investigated without good reason and no probable cause and did so with the intent to make America a better place. Snowden might not be a hero...but he sure as hell is not a criminal imo.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

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    Illegal and top-secret go hand in hand.
    That's a pretty ignorant statement.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    You don't have to like it - but this program had all three branches of government input to it, meaning that it had passed the bar for legality. I understand if you disagree with Snowden's logic that it shouldn't be, but that does not put you in the position of being able to call down shame or anything else on those who point that out to you. It is not Snowden's right to overturn our system of self-government because he does not like the conclusion it has come to.
    You used the wrong term here. No one in the NSA was elected. They were appointed and hired by people that lied to American citizens. And for that, yes, Snowden, and every other American Citizen, has a right to overturn that system and get it changed.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    That's a pretty ignorant statement.
    No actually its not. He didn't say that ALL things that were top seceret was illegal goings on. Just that illegal and top-seceret go hand in hand. And you can't tell me that the government won't ever try to do something illegal and not keep it top-seceret.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    You used the wrong term here. No one in the NSA was elected. They were appointed and hired by people that lied to American citizens. And for that, yes, Snowden, and every other American Citizen, has a right to overturn that system and get it changed.
    That is incorrect - the NSA leadership were appointed and these programs were approved by our elected representatives in both the Legislature and the Executive. Snowden does not have a right to do what he did, simply because he disagrees with those representatives.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    No actually its not
    Yes, actually, it is. You can tell because everyone who actually knows what they are talking about thinks that it is.

    He didn't say that ALL things that were top seceret was illegal goings on. Just that illegal and top-seceret go hand in hand. And you can't tell me that the government won't ever try to do something illegal and not keep it top-seceret.
    To say that things go hand in hand implies a unique and special relationship between the two. Yes, the government might do something illegal and label it top secret. It might also do something in another country and call it top secret. It might also have someone put a thumbdrive in a computer and call it Top Secret. Saying that illegal and top secret go hand in hand is thus no better than saying that thumb drives and Top Secret go hand in hand.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

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    The real Obama birth certificate (in .pdf, of course)?
    More likely access to the information in his head and/or the ability to use him as a media weapon against the US.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That is incorrect - the NSA leadership were appointed and these programs were approved by our elected representatives in both the Legislature and the Executive. Snowden does not have a right to do what he did, simply because he disagrees with those representatives.
    How can it be incorrect when you basically said the same thing that I just said just with different words? And just because the NSA leadership was appointed by our politicians does not mean that the actions of the NSA, the legislature, executive, and judicial were not done illegally and against peoples rights. Every US citizen has a right and obligation to make sure that is not done and expose it when it does happen.
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