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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    BTW, anyone ever remember just before the Patriot ACT was passed? How the politicians kept telling everyone that the only thing that it would be used for is to search for terrorists? And those that supported it kept saying that "if you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to worry about". Guess all that was a load of BS.

    pfft...another prime example of how the government will abuse its power also.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Whistle-blowing is revealing illegal acts. It's not about revealing top-secret information.
    Did Snowden reveal top secret information or information can can reveal top secret information? The Russians want him and consider him a top prize, a golden prize.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    there was no proof they had
    there's no proof prism or boundless prevented anything, despite the admin's passionate efforts to posit otherwise

    Lawyers and intelligence experts with direct knowledge of two intercepted terrorist plots that the Obama administration says confirm the value of the NSA's vast data-mining activities have questioned whether the surveillance sweeps played a significant role, if any, in foiling the attacks.
    NSA surveillance played little role in foiling terror plots, experts say | World news | guardian.co.uk

    najibullah zazi, the ny subway plot, and david headley, who went to india to scout for the mumbai massacre which killed 168 innocents in 2008

    both products of "conventional surveillance," "old fashioned tip offs," worked by british intel and scotland yard

    zazi began with a cid investigation of a terrorist cell in northwest england which led to an arrest in 2009 and the seizure of suspects' computers

    an email address, sanapakhtana@yahoo was traced to pakistan, a warrant was obtained to track it, so when zazi in colorado contacted sanapkhtana to confirm a bomb recipe the fbi had him

    fbi agent eric jurgensen testified thus in court, zazi's lawyer michael dowling confirms to the guardian the account, and british foreign minister david davis concurs

    "that was the operation that led to the initial data links to zazi," says davis, who credits "traditional investigative work," "clue driven," and not the result of "grand data sweeping stuff" which doesn't merit a warrant

    headley---in july, 09, the brits were watching him cuz they suspected he was plotting to bomb a danish newspaper for printing anti prophet cartoons

    "an intelligence expert and former cia operative who asked [the guardian] to remain anonymous because he had been directly involved in the case" said, "nonsense," prism and boundless "played no role at all in the headley case, that's not the way it happened at all"

    headley was first spotted when he contacted a cid informant

    headley is "a peculiar choice for the admin to highlight as an example of the virtues of data mining, the fact that the mumbai attacks occurred with such devastating effect in itself suggests that the nsa's secret programs were limited in their value as he was captured only after the event"

    headley was an informant for the dea as of 05, perhaps an informant for the fbi and cia as well

    his wife, faiza outalha, told the us embassy islamabad that her husband was on a "secret mission in india," who was also "a drug dealer, terrorist and spy"

    buzzfeed (tina brown, formerly newsweek) says the same

    Public Documents Contradict Claim Email Spying Foiled Terror Plot

    are you familiar with ben smith?

    read much?

    obama, yes, he has matured...

    but has he come clean?
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    the white house welcomes debate...

    Several news outlets reported in 2006 that the Bush administration was compiling a massive database of Americans’ long-distance and international calls.
    politico above

    under obama's boundless, all digital communications are accessible...

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    “In many ways it’s even more troubling than [Bush era] warrantless wiretapping, in part because the program is purely domestic,” says Alex Abdo, a staff attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union’s National Security Project.”But this is also an indiscriminate dragnet. Say what you will about warrantless wiretapping, at least it was targeted at agents of Al Qaeda. This includes every customer of Verizon Business Services.”
    NSA's Verizon Spying Order Specifically Targeted Americans, Not Foreigners - Forbes

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Kanstantine View Post
    Yes, terrorists are now forced to no longer use cellphones to communicate their terrorist plans.

    They will have to rely on carrier pigeons and skywriting to get their plans across.
    Be on the look out for terrorist pigeons.




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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Did you know that your government was recording every single email, telephone call and text in the world? Did you, I sure as hell didn't know it had gone that far. It sure doesn't make me feel safer, it makes me feel that they've gone ****ing nuts.
    Although it should have been obvious this was going to happen. It doesn't make it right; we as a people just should have been more cynical at the passage of the Patriot Act and the broadening of FISA through the Terrorist Surveillance and Protect America Acts.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    You need to go to a real history class, if you think this is something new.
    Its not new... nor is sin, abuse of power, tyranny and oppression of the citizenry. It just becomes institutionalized as soon as citizens retard their vigilance and allow such to happen with a simple "oh well".

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Illegal is the key word. We can't let people hide behind the term whistle-blower when they are revealing top secret information. So who decides if it's illegal? Some grunt sitting at a keyboard who's been sworn to secrecy? He'd better damned well be right or he goes to jail.
    Illegal acts conducted in "top secret" does not make such acts legal.

    if he is right, he will probably go to jail. This will not end well for him personally. The only question from his standpoint will be whether history treats him well and whether he lives the rest of his life believing this was "worth it".

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    if he is right, he will probably go to jail. This will not end well for him personally.

    maybe. Thus far his actions seem to indicate that he'd rather live abroad, trading "something" to other governments in return for protection from extradition to the United States.

    Anyone have any guesses what that "something" might be?

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