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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by StringBean View Post
    Your assertion that the NSA as "experts" are incapable of abusing the rules or violating our Constitutional right to privacy is moronic.
    Your assertion that I made that assertion is dumb as ****. I never said they were incapable, did I? The only thing that I implied was that there was no proof they had. But of course, the chicken littles are in a rush to believe anything, while their hero gives secrets to the Chinese.

    Of course, imagine how dumb the average person is and keep in mind half of everyone is dumber than that.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    experts and policymakers...

    LOL!

    A public debate also defeats the purpose, you know
    White House: Obama 'welcomes' surveillance debate - Josh Gerstein and Tim Mak - POLITICO.com

    what an idiot...

    obama, i mean

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Your assertion that I made that assertion is dumb as ****. I never said they were incapable, did I? The only thing that I implied was that there was no proof they had. But of course, the chicken littles are in a rush to believe anything, while their hero gives secrets to the Chinese.

    Of course, imagine how dumb the average person is and keep in mind half of everyone is dumber than that.
    Exactly what I was thinking when I read your diatribe.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Exactly what I was thinking when I read your diatribe.
    I think you've been drinking too much fluoride, plumber man.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

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    experts and policymakers...

    LOL!



    White House: Obama 'welcomes' surveillance debate - Josh Gerstein and Tim Mak - POLITICO.com

    what an idiot...

    obama, i mean
    lol! Are you still talking about politics?!?!

    hahahaha
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    tucker's tots take on one of the "experts," one william binney, 30 years technical director for nsa

    NSA analyst William Binney explains what They know about you | The Daily Caller

    in the course of 5 pages of q&a, the professionally trained mathematician asserts:

    data is collected from some 40 to 50 companies, nsa can access the content of any phone call, no digital communications are secure from nsa data collection, no textual materials from email or phone, 500k to one million are targeted---all their textual material is looked at...

    the contents of the phone conversation between tamerlan tsarnaev and his wife, for example, were disclosed by going back retroactively and listening in to recorded discussion, which didn't prevent boston...

    they're collecting so much data they're dysfunctional, 10 gigabits per second or 1.25 million 1000-character emails per second, so much data they can't move, restricted to "retro analysis..."

    for example, this interview with the caller---i'm on nsa's target list so the nsa and/or fbi can go back and listen in on this entire conversation, and since the caller is now part of my community you can assume you can now be listened to too...

    unlike snowden i went to the ig, it didn't do any good...

    if snowden has access to the system then, yes, he can bring up emails, passwords, credit cards, phone calls...

    tremendous amounts of data collection but very little analysis, so the probability of preempting what they're trying to prevent is very low...

    snowden's leaks tell the enemy nothing they didn't already know, the people really clued in for the first time are the american public...

    that's who they're trying to keep secrets from, the terrorists already know...

    it would be very simple to target any group of americans, for example tea party groups, you just take the key point tea party and plug it in the graph and you've got everybody...

    is any of this data passed to the irs---that's a question the govt needs to answer...

    but when do they tell you the truth, only after they've been exposed, and then they tell you no more than what's been made public...

    it is certainly possible hypothetically to target domestic political opponents for snooping...

    oversight by congress and the courts is a joke, the intel community throws around technobabble to people who have no idea what it means, it's a rubber stamp, zero fisa requests were denied in the last year...

    take it from an expert?

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Are you still talking about politics?
    ask the nsa

    Alexander added that he welcomed a public debate over protecting America while preserving civil liberties.
    NSA director testifies before Senate Intelligence Committee - CNN.com
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    tucker's tots take on one of the "experts," one william binney, 30 years technical director for nsa

    NSA analyst William Binney explains what They know about you | The Daily Caller

    in the course of 5 pages of q&a, the professionally trained mathematician asserts:

    data is collected from some 40 to 50 companies, nsa can access the content of any phone call, no digital communications are secure from nsa data collection, no textual materials from email or phone, 500k to one million are targeted---all their textual material is looked at...

    the contents of the phone conversation between tamerlan tsarnaev and his wife, for example, were disclosed by going back retroactively and listening in to recorded discussion, which didn't prevent boston...

    they're collecting so much data they're dysfunctional, 10 gigabits per second or 1.25 million 1000-character emails per second, so much data they can't move, restricted to "retro analysis..."

    for example, this interview with the caller---i'm on nsa's target list so the nsa and/or fbi can go back and listen in on this entire conversation, and since the caller is now part of my community you can assume you can now be listened to too...

    unlike snowden i went to the ig, it didn't do any good...

    if snowden has access to the system then, yes, he can bring up emails, passwords, credit cards, phone calls...

    tremendous amounts of data collection but very little analysis, so the probability of preempting what they're trying to prevent is very low...

    snowden's leaks tell the enemy nothing they didn't already know, the people really clued in for the first time are the american public...

    that's who they're trying to keep secrets from, the terrorists already know...

    it would be very simple to target any group of americans, for example tea party groups, you just take the key point tea party and plug it in the graph and you've got everybody...

    is any of this data passed to the irs---that's a question the govt needs to answer...

    but when do they tell you the truth, only after they've been exposed, and then they tell you no more than what's been made public...

    it is certainly possible hypothetically to target domestic political opponents for snooping...

    oversight by congress and the courts is a joke, the intel community throws around technobabble to people who have no idea what it means, it's a rubber stamp, zero fisa requests were denied in the last year...

    take it from an expert?

    Wasn't that zero FISA requests out of thousands. One request to Verizon was for all data for three months. That's not one call intercept, but all USA data for three months. One request out of thousands. Do the math.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    They are acting under warrants issued by the FISA court in compliance with Congressional approval. I do not agree with current activities, but one is not enough to stop the activity...
    It is an abuse of the warrent procedure. The warrants are meant to be taken against people, individuals, that are, with probable cause, committing an illegal act. Now I don't know how many people verizon has subscribed but there are definately thousands of people subscribed to them. Is anyone here, or even in the NSA, have actual problable cause, as defined under our warrant system, to search and seize the records of those thousands of people? Of course they do not. It doesn't matter whether the FISA court and Congress approved of this, it was illegal for them to do so under the 4th Amendment.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Whistle-blowing is revealing illegal acts. It's not about revealing top-secret information.
    Agreed. And the NSA monitoring and seizing thousands of peoples phone records and god knows what else that Verizon gave them was certainly illegal. Unless of course they actually had probable cause to search and seize from each and every single one of those people. I would love for the NSA to prove that they had probable cause to search and seize my records...I happen to be a verizon customer so I'm sure my name is somewhere among all that data they have.
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