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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    "Trust us. We have a hard job to do trying to protect you."
    The coloring should be self-explanatory.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Okay, I was on the fence leaning toward parade (as per poll), but now things are developing. I'm not happy with what Snowden told the Chinese newspaper about our hacking. Exposing harm to Americans is patriotic, but exposing harm to China....not so much.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

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    That's what all dictators say.
    And all people who have a hard job trying to protect you, too. Interesting, huh?

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    Okay, I was on the fence leaning toward parade (as per poll), but now things are developing. I'm not happy with what Snowden told the Chinese newspaper about our hacking. Exposing harm to Americans is patriotic, but exposing harm to China....not so much.
    If anyone thought he was ever doing this to be a 'patriotic American', they were an idiot. He wasn't exposing that Americans were being harmed by his first revelation, he was the one doing the harm. His second revelation only increases the harm and hammers home his intent. People are so gullible.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

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    And all people who have a hard job trying to protect you, too. Interesting, huh?

    If anyone thought he was ever doing this to be a 'patriotic American', they were an idiot. He wasn't exposing that Americans were being harmed by his first revelation, he was the one doing the harm. His second revelation only increases the harm and hammers home his intent. People are so gullible.
    If no Americans were being harmed, how can what he was doing cause harm?
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    If no Americans were being harmed, how can what he was doing cause harm?
    ??? That doesn't make sense logically at all.

    No Americans were being harmed by PRISM, but by disclosing that it exists, he decreases the level of protection afforded them, which harms them.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    ??? That doesn't make sense logically at all.

    No Americans were being harmed by PRISM, but by disclosing that it exists, he decreases the level of protection afforded them, which harms them.
    You're assuming that your interpretation of "harm" is absolutely correct and without question. Phfft! Everybody thinks their conclusions are correct. Duh.

    Many people do believe that the government's actions are either a) harming them, and/or b) would harm them if allowed to continue to expand unchallenged, which would happen if unchecked. Just because they come to a conclusion that differs from yours doesn't make them automatically wrong. If nothing else, the revelations brought out into the open for public debate that which should have already been debated, yet never was. Only a gullible idiot would believe that the government was ever going to start the debate on it's own and for right and ethical reasons.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    You're assuming that your interpretation of "harm" is absolutely correct and without question. Phfft! Everybody thinks their conclusions are correct. Duh.

    Many people do believe that the government's actions are either a) harming them, and/or b) would harm them if allowed to continue to expand unchallenged, which would happen if unchecked. Just because they come to a conclusion that differs from yours doesn't make them automatically wrong. If nothing else, the revelations brought out into the open for public debate that which should have already been debated, yet never was. Only a gullible idiot would believe that the government was ever going to start the debate on it's own and for right and ethical reasons.
    Don't tell me you think some random people (teachers, plumbers, construction workers, waiters, etc) should even be involved in this debate? How could they speak intelligently about it? Save it for experts and policymakers. I'll go to a plumber when my drains are backed up, though. A public debate also defeats the purpose, you know.

    But lol I have to laugh at your defensiveness. Were you one of those guys that thought he was a hero before he started giving secrets about our operations against the Chinese to them (even though he already gave our secrets to...everyone on the planet?)? You didn't think him going to Hong Kong was a tip off?

    Don't be defensive, my man, just don't get so sucked up in the conspiracy bull**** next time.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Don't tell me you think some random people (teachers, plumbers, construction workers, waiters, etc) should even be involved in this debate? How could they speak intelligently about it? Save it for experts and policymakers. I'll go to a plumber when my drains are backed up, though. A public debate also defeats the purpose, you know.

    But lol I have to laugh at your defensiveness. Were you one of those guys that thought he was a hero before he started giving secrets about our operations against the Chinese to them (even though he already gave our secrets to...everyone on the planet?)? You didn't think him going to Hong Kong was a tip off?

    Don't be defensive, my man, just don't get so sucked up in the conspiracy bull**** next time.
    "Experts and policymakers" are who got us here. Color me unimpressed.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    "Experts and policymakers" are who got us here. Color me unimpressed.
    Right. And the whole point is 'here' isn't a problem- although so many people hilariously think it is. Well, it wasn't until the hero of the ignorant and unwashed, Snowden, started talking.

    Maybe you think the plumbers and construction workers should be in charge of things. They can team up and make an organization. Call it a 'Soviet' or something.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Right. And the whole point is 'here' isn't a problem- although so many people hilariously think it is. Well, it wasn't until the hero of the ignorant and unwashed, Snowden, started talking.

    Maybe you think the plumbers and construction workers should be in charge of things. They can team up and make an organization. Call it a 'Soviet' or something.
    Your assertion that the NSA as "experts" are incapable of abusing the rules or violating our Constitutional right to privacy is moronic.

    I'm an expert in nonsense, and I proclaim your assertion to be nonsense. Can't refute it bro, I'm an expert.

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