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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Snowden made it clear that they collect all data and worry about sorting it out later.
    That is Snowden's claim.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    That we know of ......... ............ yet.
    That is correct. We also don't know if the Government has been in contact with Aliens, or is actually running a Jason-Bourne esque super-Assassin program utilizing mind-altering drugs and enhanced interrogation methods. But what I am pointing out is that there is a difference between a program and an abuse of a program.

    Meanwhile, it appears that all this is way beyond what the Patriot Act authorized. And what Obama promised. Its time to say "enough".
    maybe so.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

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    That is correct. We also don't know if the Government has been in contact with Aliens, or is actually running a Jason-Bourne esque super-Assassin program utilizing mind-altering drugs and enhanced interrogation methods. But what I am pointing out is that there is a difference between a program and an abuse of a program.
    And our confidence in the Executive to not abuse has been bolstered when ? Regardless, the extent of the harvesting seems to be way beyond what the Patriot Act authorized, and way beyond what Obama reassured those that believed him would happen !!!

    This issue may be the only time that I have ever thought you were on the wrong side of the issue. Maybe a bit abstract, but how do you like this: All of the providers, such as Verizon and Gmail, etc, have clauses in their agreement with you to protect your info from all. That it is private and safe. Not shared. Even today.

    So what does the Obama Admin do ? Gives them immunity from any prosecution for that being a lie.

    What a racket !!

    C'mon back over. Me thinks you got off a bit hasty on the wrong side on this one.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    That is Snowden's claim.
    Yeah, and he gave up a $200K/yr job and is a technical expert, unlike Obama.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    And our confidence in the Executive to not abuse has been bolstered when ?
    not lately. As I've been saying, the possibility for good is as immense here as the possibility for abuse. If we as a people want to say that we think the latter outweighs the former, tthen that's fine. But we need to honestly admit that we are making a relative rather than an absolute judgement - there isn't an option where we retain only the power that can do good while losing only the power that can do evil.

    Regardless, the extent of the harvesting seems to be way beyond what the Patriot Act authorized, and way beyond what Obama reassured those that believed him would happen !!!
    That last is certainly true.

    This issue may be the only time that I have ever thought you were on the wrong side of the issue. Maybe a bit abstract, but how do you like this: All of the providers, such as Verizon and Gmail, etc, have clauses in their agreement with you to protect your info from all. That it is private and safe. Not shared. Even today.

    So what does the Obama Admin do ? Gives them immunity from any prosecution for that being a lie.

    What a racket !!

    C'mon back over. Me thinks you got off a bit hasty on the wrong side on this one.
    the exact opposite, actually

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Yeah, and he gave up a $200K/yr job and is a technical expert, unlike Obama.
    friggin overpaid fat-cat contractors



    ahem.... so.... you know anything open......?
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    not lately. As I've been saying, the possibility for good is as immense here as the possibility for abuse. If we as a people want to say that we think the latter outweighs the former, tthen that's fine. But we need to honestly admit that we are making a relative rather than an absolute judgement - there isn't an option where we retain only the power that can do good while losing only the power that can do evil.

    That last is certainly true.

    the exact opposite, actually
    I gave you a like, but am not in full agreement by any means. When I was a teen, and then early in the Army, I was a bit programmed to believe that Daniel Ellsberg was a bit of a traitor with The Pentagon Papers. I was out of the service a few years, and well-read enough, before I realized the opposite. That he was a blue-blooded patriot. An American in the tradition of the Founders.

    I see Snowden in the same light, although not close to Ellsberg's league.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Yeah, and he gave up a $200K/yr job and is a technical expert, unlike Obama.

    I guarantee you he was not making $200K/year.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    I gave you a like, but am not in full agreement by any means. When I was a teen, and then early in the Army, I was a bit programmed to believe that Daniel Ellsberg was a bit of a traitor with The Pentagon Papers. I was out of the service a few years, and well-read enough, before I realized the opposite. That he was a blue-blooded patriot. An American in the tradition of the Founders.

    I see Snowden in the same light, although not close to Ellsberg's league.
    That remains (I think) to be fully seen. But I will agree there is a qualitative difference between him and (for example) Manning.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I guarantee you he was not making $200K/year.
    After taxes probably not. But as a SIGINTer in Hawaii that's not implausible.

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