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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    For the most part I agree, but didn't you also say this:

    "I have stated my thoughts that FISA is appropriate to handle the contemporary terrorist threat..."

    FISA is a secret court, with one side presented, and compromised in the essence that the government as we see under this administration will 'judge shop' until they get the answer they want. FISA is corrupted at this point.
    FISA is corrupted, I agree.

    But more importantly the legislation upon which it is founded is specious and illegitimate, especially the most recent enhancements to the basic statute.

    Cops enforcing bad law will never look good, and judges enforcing bad law are in the same boat.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Manning was trying to hurt the US, Snowden was trying to expose the NSA overreach. The Patriot Act and other related laws passed under Bush were suppose to be limited to narrow surveillance of known terrorists overseas trying to make contact inside the US. This new surveillance far exceeds that by light years. They created a monster in Washington and it's gone nuts. It appears the NSA thinks it's God.
    Exactly. Just heard Congressman Jim Sensenbrenner (R-WI) on the radio, who was Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, and authored much of the original Patriot Act, clearly state that the current policies far over-stepped what the Patriot Act authorized. This began when the Democrats took over Congress in 2006 (and JS lost his Chairmanship) and laws they passed in 2007.

    Bottom line is that there is no way in Hell that the PA authorized this wholesale harvest of data. And Congrats Democrats, after all the Bush bashing for wanting to harvest just the traffic to and from suspected terrorists overseas, (which was authorized), your folks went and just trashed everybody's rights !! All done in secret !! Whoooo - Hoooo !!!

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Exactly. Just heard Congressman Jim Sensenbrenner (R-WI) on the radio, who was Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, and authored much of the original Patriot Act, clearly state that the current policies far over-stepped what the Patriot Act authorized. This began when the Democrats took over Congress in 2006 (and JS lost his Chairmanship) and laws they passed in 2007.

    Bottom line is that there is no way in Hell that the PA authorized this wholesale harvest of data. And Congrats Democrats, after all the Bush bashing for wanting to harvest just the traffic to and from suspected terrorists overseas, (which was authorized), your folks went and just trashed everybody's rights !! All done in secret !! Whoooo - Hoooo !!!
    Excellent deflection job...................

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

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    Excellent deflection job...................
    Progressive obviously have difficulty recognizing facts.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    The constitution clearly requires warrants for searches or they are illegal (with courts also allowing probable cause searches). There is no way that the blanket searches of phone company and ISP records are legal.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    FISA is corrupted, I agree.

    But more importantly the legislation upon which it is founded is specious and illegitimate, especially the most recent enhancements to the basic statute.

    Cops enforcing bad law will never look good, and judges enforcing bad law are in the same boat.
    You know when they passed the Patriot Act and sold as I described above, I was on the fence about it, but decided to except the explanation of a narrow focus. And the Left .....well their heads were exploding at the time................and now..... that the surveillance is ten orders of magnitude higher.... *crickets*.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Progressive obviously have difficulty recognizing facts.
    It's never Conservatives "fault"..............Even when they come up with bad laws, the laws only become bad because Democrats found a loophole................Talk about being in denial...................

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    "illegal", yes. It's not a bureaucrat's position to decide what is dishonest, or wrong.
    Ultimately the Supreme Court will decide. But unless the information is made public there can be no lawsuits or court case. People have previously tried to obtain the information via FOIA rules and sued over these practices, but the suits were blocked because of lack of documentation. Since the programs were kept secret, someone releasing this info was necessary for the courts and the people to decide whether we should let the government disregard the constitutional restrictions of searches.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You know when they passed the Patriot Act and sold as I described above, I was on the fence about it, but decided to except the explanation of a narrow focus. And the Left .....well their heads were exploding at the time................and now..... that the surveillance is ten orders of magnitude higher.... *crickets*.
    Accepting the explanations of politicians is rather like buying into a magician's act, eh?

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    It's never Conservatives "fault"..............Even when they come up with bad laws, the laws only become bad because Democrats found a loophole................Talk about being in denial...................
    I think my recollection is pretty accurate. They didn't just find a loophole, they found a black hole.
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