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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    I concur, this is excessively simplistic. There will always be some tradeoffs between these two needs.
    I think your interpretation of the quote is a bit too simplistic. Franklin's meaning is that any minor level of security you gain from any freedom surrendered is undeserved. In the case of the NSA dragnet the system takes away everyone's right to privacy in order to save us each from a terrorist threat that, on an individual basis, is very small.

    History as shown Franklin to be wise since most dictatorships are built on an incremental abdication of freedom in order to combat some perceived enemy.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    10 things the journolisters think you should know:

    1. Doesn’t have a high school diploma. [got his ged]

    2.Donated to Ron Paul.

    3.Wasn’t a friendly neighbor. [didn't return waves hello, had a messy garage]

    4.His laptop stickers reveal his beliefs. “I support Online Rights: Electronic Frontier Foundation,” and another is for the Tor Project, an online anonymity software.

    5.Served in the Army for only five months. [broke both legs]

    6.First job with NSA was as a security guard.

    7.Used the codename Verax, Latin for “truthteller.”

    8.Not on social media.

    9.Whereabouts are currently unknown. [checked out of hong kong hotel monday morning]

    10.Lived comfortably. [200k per annum as consultant to booz allen hamilton]
    10 things to know about Edward Snowden - Tal Kopan - POLITICO.com

    the eef, by the way, the electronic frontier foundation, is the organization that mother jones (david corn, mr 47%) reported friday is suing the doj to get holder to make public the 86 page report written by the fisa judge which finds nsa data collection to be "unreasonable under the 4th amendment"

    in kafka-esque fashion (corn's characterization), the doj is stymying eef's foia by referring eef to the fisa court, even tho fisa in a 2007 precedent sent the aclu to the doj under comparable circumstances

    corn says the doj was given the 86 page report ruling in defense of the 4th in april and is now holding it back cuz it's classified (not anymore)

    someone needs to clean up that garage...

    (mojo above)
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    the journolisters' hall of infamy:

    10 famous/infamous whistleblowers - Photos - 1 of 10 - POLITICO.com

    1. mark felt---the guy who moved the potted plant so bob woodward could work watergate

    2. ellsburg---jane fonda fav

    3. linda tripp---ugly

    4. serpico---nypd graft, early 70's, starring al pacino

    5. silkwood---OK nukes, meryl streep nominated for an oscar (as was cher who played streep's girlfriend)

    6. mark whitacre/matt damon---price fixing between doa and adm (archer daniels midland)

    7. jeffrey wigand/russell crowe---exposed addictive levels of nicotine on 60 minutes, 1996

    8. coleen rowley---fbi agent who talked about intel failures before 9-11

    9. sherman watkins---enron

    10. manning

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    this morning:

    Obama welcomes debate on NSA but didn't want it sparked by leaks - POLITICO

    well, he got half of what he wanted, at least

    Carney pointed to the president's late May speech on national security and counterterrorism as evidence that Obama did want to discuss surveillance, though that speech did not get into details about tactics like phone-tapping and the monitoring of internet traffic.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    carney, the hardest working man in washington

    White House press secretary Jay Carney declined to comment Monday on Edward Snowden and the investigation into the information he provided to journalists.

    "There is obviously an investigation under way into this matter and for that reason I will not be able to discuss this individual or the investigation," Carney said at the start of his daily briefing, his first since Snowden allowed the Guardian to reveal his identity on Sunday.

    Asked if the United States knows where Snowden is, Carney again declined to comment.

    Carney wouldn't say whether President Obama had watched the Guardian's video interview with Snowden, though he did tell reporters that "the president was briefed by members of his senior staff about that development and others" in recent days.

    He did, though, defend the administration's practices. "It's entirely appropriate for a program to exist to look at foreign data and potential foreign terrorists but there are procedures in place ... at the congressional, executive and judicial levels that provide oversight over these issues," he said.

    Obama's "record on transparency is broad and significant," Carney added.
    Obama News: A Living Diary of the Obama Presidency - POLITICO44 - POLITICO.com

    did obama read it in the paper (again)?

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    the surveillance state is expensive

    Utah Data Center: The one million square foot, $1.9 billion Utah data mining facility being built by NSA | Mail Online

    grand opening: october!

    think of it as an investment

    jobs creation, stimulus...

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    the surveillance state is expensive

    Utah Data Center: The one million square foot, $1.9 billion
    Utah data mining facility
    being built by NSA | Mail Online


    grand opening: october!

    think of it as an investment

    jobs creation, stimulus...
    Ya think if they called it a "Data Fracking" facility Obama would still retain all his support from the deadenders?

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    separation of powers?

    Sen. Mark Kirk pokes at Eric Holder: Did NSA spy on Congress? | Sun-Times

    “Mr. Attorney General, I want to take you to the Verizon scandal and — which I understand takes us to possibly monitoring up to 120 million calls. You know, when government bureaucrats are sloppy, they’re usually really sloppy. Want to just ask, could you assure to us that no phone inside the Capitol were monitored of members of Congress that would give a future executive branch, if they started pulling this kind of thing off, would give them unique leverage over the legislature?

    Holder replied, “With all due respect, Senator, I don’t think this is an appropriate setting for me to discuss that issue. I’d be more than glad to come back in a — in an appropriate setting to discuss the issues that you have raised,” noting they were speaking in public.

    Kirk, a Naval intelligence officer, was not satisfied with Holder’s answer.

    Said Kirk, “I would interrupt you and say the correct answer would be say no, we stayed within our lane, and I’m assuring you we did not spy on members of Congress.”

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Are you a French model?
    If I were I'd probably be making money.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I don't find much trust in Congress either, but Snowden acted with little difference between him, and Bradley Manning in my mind at the moment.
    Manning was trying to hurt the US, Snowden was trying to expose the NSA overreach. The Patriot Act and other related laws passed under Bush were suppose to be limited to narrow surveillance of known terrorists overseas trying to make contact inside the US. This new surveillance far exceeds that by light years. They created a monster in Washington and it's gone nuts. It appears the NSA thinks it's God.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
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