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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

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    ....or it could be because CYBERCOM and entirely other elements of the IC already have those kinds of missions?
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

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    Here's what I responded to as not being true:



    Please cite your source.
    I thought that was the claim in the OP link.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

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    I hope we didn't buy two sets of computer acreage.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

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    I thought that was the claim in the OP link.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    They are acting under warrants issued by the FISA court in compliance with Congressional approval. I do not agree with current activities, but one is not enough to stop the activity...
    You are confusing 2 different things.

    What Snowden revealed has nothing to do with FISA courts. Rather, it is the PRIZM program.

    The FISA court issue was regarding the Verizon megadata mining, not prizm, however it is properly spelled.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

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    Read more @: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance | World news | guardian.co.uk

    And he is out. The man who revealed this **** storm. A hero and a great man that was not afraid to tell the truth and reveal something he thought was wrong. Whistle blowing is not a crime! [/FONT][/COLOR]
    I have stated my thoughts that FISA is appropriate to handle the contemporary terrorist threat and that Congress should investigate the new revelations about the scale of surveillance reported based on the recent leaks. Having said that, I do not believe leaks of sensitive material are an adequate substitute for Congressional oversight. Congress should have actively been involved in oversight of the programs in question, especially as surveillance abuses had led to enactment of FISA and one could not discount the possibility of additional abuses in the realm of post-9/11 surveillance. I reserve judgment as to whether abuses occurred this time around, as one can't be sure unless the programs are reviewed. I do favor a transparent Congressional review (transparent meaning that the process is made public and the findings are made public, not that sensitive information is made public; sensitive information should be redacted from public disclosures).

    If the leaker had moral qualms over the policies/surveillance gathering, a better recourse would have been to provide his concerns to Congress, particularly the members who serve on the relevant committees. In short, I don't find the leaker's actions "heroic."

    On another point, while I believe contractors provide a lot of benefit to government departments and agencies, I do not believe contractors should be involved in actual intelligence-related functions. Support activities short of intelligence-related work for the security agencies would be appropriate. Perhaps this issue will afford an opportunity to examine whether intelligence functions should be contracted out.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    I have stated my thoughts that FISA is appropriate to handle the contemporary terrorist threat and that Congress should investigate the new revelations about the scale of surveillance reported based on the recent leaks. Having said that, I do not believe leaks of sensitive material are an adequate substitute for Congressional oversight. Congress should have actively been involved in oversight of the programs in question, especially as surveillance abuses had led to enactment of FISA and one could not discount the possibility of additional abuses in the realm of post-9/11 surveillance. I reserve judgment as to whether abuses occurred this time around, as one can't be sure unless the programs are reviewed. I do favor a transparent Congressional review (transparent meaning that the process is made public and the findings are made public, not that sensitive information is made public; sensitive information should be redacted from public disclosures).

    If the leaker had moral qualms over the policies/surveillance gathering, a better recourse would have been to provide his concerns to Congress, particularly the members who serve on the relevant committees. In short, I don't find the leaker's actions "heroic."

    On another point, while I believe contractors provide a lot of benefit to government departments and agencies, I do not believe contractors should be involved in actual intelligence-related functions. Support activities short of intelligence-related work for the security agencies would be appropriate. Perhaps this issue will afford an opportunity to examine whether intelligence functions should be contracted out.

    NSA "Boundless Informant" Heat Map Shows Surveillance Areas Around The Globe - HotHardware

    The link will show that a Congressional Committee tried to review this program and was denied that review by perjury by Clapper, head of NSA. I know your diplomatic "circle the wagons" rhetoric and suspect you always try to defend these law breaking functionaries by citing "security," "need to know," and other diplomatic nonsense. This is clearly an attempt to derail an investigation. Clapper committed perjury. Go directly to jail.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    NOTICE; To All you naive dreamers out there that believe the capitol is "Mr. Smith Goes To Washington": Wake up! Your government is like all governments- the sole purpose is to keep you in line. Not only will monitoring citizens not go away it will instead, become more and more intense. Today with government stability so crucial now for their economies China for example cannot survive an upheaval in American governemt and vica versa.Governments now OWE IT TO EACH OTHER to keep the status quo. You are not living in the 1940's people and your babies will probably have chips inserted in to them in the name of safely knowing where your children are when in fact it is your government that MUST KNOW WHERE YOUR CHILDREN ARE!!!!!!!
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    I have stated my thoughts that FISA is appropriate to handle the contemporary terrorist threat and that Congress should investigate the new revelations about the scale of surveillance reported based on the recent leaks. Having said that, I do not believe leaks of sensitive material are an adequate substitute for Congressional oversight. Congress should have actively been involved in oversight of the programs in question, especially as surveillance abuses had led to enactment of FISA and one could not discount the possibility of additional abuses in the realm of post-9/11 surveillance. I reserve judgment as to whether abuses occurred this time around, as one can't be sure unless the programs are reviewed. I do favor a transparent Congressional review (transparent meaning that the process is made public and the findings are made public, not that sensitive information is made public; sensitive information should be redacted from public disclosures).

    If the leaker had moral qualms over the policies/surveillance gathering, a better recourse would have been to provide his concerns to Congress, particularly the members who serve on the relevant committees. In short, I don't find the leaker's actions "heroic."

    On another point, while I believe contractors provide a lot of benefit to government departments and agencies, I do not believe contractors should be involved in actual intelligence-related functions. Support activities short of intelligence-related work for the security agencies would be appropriate. Perhaps this issue will afford an opportunity to examine whether intelligence functions should be contracted out.

    NSA "Boundless Informant" Heat Map Shows Surveillance Areas Around The Globe - HotHardware

    The link will show that a Congressional Committee tried to review this program and was denied that review by perjury by Clapper, head of NSA. I know your diplomatic "circle the wagons" rhetoric and suspect you always try to defend these law breaking functionaries by citing "security," "need to know," and other diplomatic nonsense. This is clearly an attempt to derail an investigation. Clapper committed perjury. Go directly to jail.

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