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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

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    Precisely. Even then the data management is problematic - but the idea that somewhere someone is reading your email just because remains implausible unless you happen to have good reason to have someone reading your email.
    My problem is that they are even attempting this. I realize that most emails are not worth their effort, but to put this much money into this KIND of effort is bothersome, to say the least. All the while, the Chinese are breaking into corporations and stealing away trade secrets and technology. Excuse me, but why aren't they using these acres of supercomputing to blow China's hacking out of the water?
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    To who? You? Do you not read and pay attention to what our agencies and top Internet companies say?

    Are you unaware that the CIA collects all open-source intelligence available to it? Open Source Center - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    the Open Source Center does not even begin to process all available open-source information. It does a decent job of covering the major media outlets in most major countries and provides some pretty good analysis of cultural and government viewpoints. I would know that, well, because I've been through their course. I deal with the OSC daily as part of my job. Which is why I also know that the connection you are attempting to draw between the OSC and a TS level COMINT program is... laughable. People's private emails are not Open Source material. People's letters to the editor of a foreign newspaper are Open Source material. The Haaretz is Open Source Material. Each of the radio stations in Peru are Open Source Material.

    Yup. I was actually sitting in an OSC course when a jet went down in Dam Neck, Virginia. We shifted over to the Twitter Feeds and the instructor showed us how to use real-time on the ground reporting by diffuse individuals to build situational awareness. Hey, guess what? When you put something on Twitter, you've put it out to the entire world. Everyone including your annoying cousins, that weird guy who lives in a cabin by himself in the woods and walks around wearing lipstick, and the Russian GRU can see it.

    Look, I hate to say it, but all this is.... well.... duh?

    A) in no way does this invalidate the human impossibility of processing all that data
    B) however, it does validate the model of using programming to scan for indicators such as communications with known terrorists to cue actual analyst collection and processing of specific data.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    My problem is that they are even attempting this. I realize that most emails are not worth their effort, but to put this much money into this KIND of effort is bothersome, to say the least. All the while, the Chinese are breaking into corporations and stealing away trade secrets and technology. Excuse me, but why aren't they using these acres of supercomputing to blow China's hacking out of the water?
    It could be because the government views some of us as more of a threat than the Chinese. I'm not claiming that's true, but one could reach such a conclusion without straining credulity.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Coupled with this sudden push for gun control and the IRS and AP scandal, raises lots of questions. Anyway, this guy was a support contractor, but if he were a govt employee, he would have had to take an oath to protect the Constitution against enemies foreign and domestic. Loyalty and honor are one thing, but blind loyalty of going along to get along is quite another. He absolutely did break the rules of security, it appears. I doubt it was an easy decision, and he probably did it because he thought the government was going too far in surveilling Americans. I'm sure more details will be revealed.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    It could be because the government views some of us as more of a threat than the Chinese. I'm not claiming that's true, but one could reach such a conclusion without straining credulity.
    ....or it could be because CYBERCOM and entirely other elements of the IC already have those kinds of missions?

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    OHMAGERD!!! Four dudes were heard JOKING AT AN AIRPORT!!!! CLEARLY James Bourne is about to be deployed!!!


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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    That's not why. So what do you think they're doing with ACRES of supercomputers? You know more than this whistleblower, so enlighten me please.
    Here's what I responded to as not being true:

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    Did you know that your government was recording every single email, telephone call and text in the world? Did you, I sure as hell didn't know it had gone that far. It sure doesn't make me feel safer, it makes me feel that they've gone ****ing nuts.
    Please cite your source.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Here's what I responded to as not being true:



    Please cite your source.

    Well to be fair, it isn't just American that has that part wrong, the person responsible for the OP got that wrong on page 1.
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