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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Basic data scans that allow for follow on actual collection if you trip given triggers. So, for example, (and this has happened) if you start a facebook page to plan a bombing, hey, we may read that page so that we can stop you. If you hop on gmail to chat with Zawahiri, hey, that connection is going to set off some little alarm bells.
    It's probably worth noting at this point.

    There are about 5 billion instant messages a day. Email generations about 400,000 terabytes of new information annually. There are more than 100 million websites. The idea that any collection of individuals have the ability to sift through all this on a real-time basis? Isn't plausible.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

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    That's the great thing about The United States; the government will bend to the will of the people.
    Show me when that has happened..

    Like when classified info was leaked to a movie outfit to hail Dear Leader over the UBL raid? Oh, wait...that's different.
    Awww still mad that your hero Bush never managed to get OBL?
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    If you watched any of the Sunday AM shows, he has friends in Congress. Rand Paul is certainly sympathetic to him.
    You mean people who knew that this was going on and are now so so shocked? Yea great credibility there....

    I have no doubt that the GOP members will try to exploit this in an attack on Obama but like it or not they have a hard time explaining why they put the program in place in the first place and kept it going for so long....
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I didn't know that because it isn't true.
    That's not why. So what do you think they're doing with ACRES of supercomputers? You know more than this whistleblower, so enlighten me please.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    You mean people who knew that this was going on and are now so so shocked? Yea great credibility there....

    I have no doubt that the GOP members will try to exploit this in an attack on Obama but like it or not they have a hard time explaining why they put the program in place in the first place and kept it going for so long....
    Where's your dog in this fight, regarding Obama? All you do is rail on and on about protecting Obama, he's not even your President. If he turned this program into spying domestically, then he is to blame.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    So what do you think they're doing with ACRES of supercomputers?
    Playing pong?


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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    It's probably worth noting at this point.

    There are about 5 billion instant messages a day. Email generations about 400,000 terabytes of new information annually. There are more than 100 million websites. The idea that any collection of individuals have the ability to sift through all this on a real-time basis? Isn't plausible.
    Red flag words and sifting programs that filter it down and look for word patterns. Human beings couldnt do it but computers with the right search patterns certainly could bring it into the realm of possibility.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    It's probably worth noting at this point.

    There are about 5 billion instant messages a day. Email generations about 400,000 terabytes of new information annually. There are more than 100 million websites. The idea that any collection of individuals have the ability to sift through all this on a real-time basis? Isn't plausible.
    To who? You? Do you not read and pay attention to what our agencies and top Internet companies say?

    Are you unaware that the CIA collects all open-source intelligence available to it? Open Source Center - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    2009: Exclusive: U.S. Spies Buy Stake in Firm That Monitors Blogs, Tweets | Danger Room | Wired.com

    2010: Exclusive: Google, CIA Invest in 'Future' of Web Monitoring | Danger Room | Wired.com
    Google, CIA Invest in 'Future' of Web Monitoring - ABC News
    How the C.I.A. Perfects its Social Media Monitoring Technologies - Forbes

    2011: CIA's 'Vengeful Librarians' Monitor Twitter, Facebook | Fox News
    CIA's 'vengeful librarians' track Twitter, Facebook | The Digital Home - CNET News
    CIA tracks global pulse on Twitter, Facebook - CBS News
    CIA's 'vengeful librarians' stalk Twitter and Facebook - Telegraph
    CIA's 'vengeful librarian' team monitor Facebook, Twitter and report to Obama | Mail Online
    CIA tracking Twitter, Facebook
    Social Media Is a Tool of the CIA. Seriously - CBS News

    2012: https://www.cia.gov/news-information...t-remarks.html

    2013: CIA venture arm invests in Chicago-based maker of artificial intelligence technology - Chicago Tribune

    That covers, obviously, just the CIA. At any rate, it should obliterate any lingering doubt you, or anyone else has on the matter.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Red flag words and sifting programs that filter it down and look for word patterns. Human beings couldnt do it but computers with the right search patterns certainly could bring it into the realm of possibility.
    Precisely. Even then the data management is problematic - but the idea that somewhere someone is reading your email just because remains implausible unless you happen to have good reason to have someone reading your email.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Illegal is the key word. We can't let people hide behind the term whistle-blower when they are revealing top secret information. So who decides if it's illegal? Some grunt sitting at a keyboard who's been sworn to secrecy? He'd better damned well be right or he goes to jail.
    I agree with you on this Maggie. This activity was not clearly illegal. Actually, it is considered legal by the courts of this land. Revealing top secret info because you find an activity abhorrent is not protected under the law.

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