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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Im not using it as an anarchy claim im simply saying why would you not want to know what the government has been up to especially on infringement on civil liberties.
    1. I am unconvinced that the program itself is an infringement of civil liberties.
    2. Collection programs and methodologies are and must be classified for the simple enough reason that otherwise they become useless.

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    Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    I will say this, this has much more potential for puzzling questions than the Manning case.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    1. I am unconvinced that the program itself is an infringement of civil liberties.
    2. Collection programs and methodologies are and must be classified for the simple enough reason that otherwise they become useless.
    The 4th Amendment is clear that no searches of your personal property can be conducted without a warrant and probable cause to believe you have engaged in a criminal act.

    I have called Holland several times over the last few years along with sending many text messages. It now appears that the NSA has records of all of my texts and calls.

    What probable cause of criminal or terrorist activity did they have in order to request my cellphone records?

    None. My rights have been violated.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcogito View Post
    Is it possible this program has saved lives? Absolutely.
    Those who have been read in would delete the "possible". They have released statements that it has stopped attacks inside CONUS.

    And once our technology advances to the point that the NSA actually CAN record and screen the contents of every phone call and email made I am sure even more lives could be saved. But it would still be wrong. Piece by piece by f-ing piece we are ceding our civil liberties in the name of security. Where does it stop? Where do we draw the line? It seems to me that the only thing keeping our government from absolute intrusion is the technology itself. As the technology improves the government WILL encroach more and more. History is proof positive of that.
    and here I thought you were a progressive. Why shouldn't government be there to help guide us into making all those decisions that we are so poorly suited to make for ourselves?

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Kanstantine View Post
    The 4th Amendment is clear that no searches of your personal property can be conducted without a warrant and probable cause to believe you have engaged in a criminal act.
    1. There was a warrant
    2. There were also no searches of anyones' personal property
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    3. This is anything but a blatant violation of the 4th Amendment.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    1. I am unconvinced that the program itself is an infringement of civil liberties.
    2. Collection programs and methodologies are and must be classified for the simple enough reason that otherwise they become useless.
    Just who was in the dark about the ability to trace all forms of cyber-communication ? The bad guys ? Hardly !!

    Only the nave. And the innocent. What faith do you have that this would not be misused ? How about Hillary with the FBI files ? While she was friggin First Lady !!

    And Obama and the IRS and who knows what else !!!!!

    That cyber collection is now somehow rendered "useless" is absurd. Let the jihadists go back to smoke signals then.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Strucky View Post
    Sorry man,but snooping on every single American kinda goes against the whole idea of freedom.
    Gah. Guess we'd better pull all those police off the streets, then. Did you know that they observe massive numbers of Americans on a regular, daily basis?

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    1. There was a warrant
    2. There were also no searches of anyones' personal property
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    3. This is anything but a blatant violation of the 4th Amendment.
    The NSA requested and received a warrant for all records of international cellphone calls between the USA and other nations?

    Since when does having a warrant mean the search cannot be unConstitutional?

    What probable cause did the NSA use to justify retrieval of my cellphone records?

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Just who was in the dark about the ability to trace all forms of cyber-communication ? The bad guys ? Hardly !!

    Only the nave. And the innocent. What faith do you have that this would not be misused ? How about Hillary with the FBI files ? While she was friggin First Lady !!

    And Obama and the IRS and who knows what else !!!!!

    That cyber collection is now somehow rendered "useless" is absurd. Let the jihadists go back to smoke signals then.
    I have very little faith that this ability would not be misused. But, then, I have very little faith that any government power would not be misused. The possibility for abuse is not in and of itself a good argument against a government program for the simple reason that that (as applied) is an argument against all government.

    And yes. By outing this platform, Snowden has rendered it useless, cutting future counter-terror efforts off from the information they would otherwise have gathered, making them less likely to stop attacks inside the US. Any honest discussion of this needs to account for that.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Gah. Guess we'd better pull all those police off the streets, then. Did you know that they observe massive numbers of Americans on a regular, daily basis?
    Police don't engage in searches of everyone they see on the street.

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