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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcogito View Post
    I read cpwill’s post as possibly indicating since the government sanctioned the program it was wrong to go against their will. I had doubts cpwill believed that in all cases which is why I asked him about civil disobedience.

    I agree this wasn’t civil disobedience since he signed a nondisclosure agreement and voluntarily put himself in a position of having to keep secrets. But I also don’t consider it treason. On the surface it seems to me he did this out of loyalty to the Constitution and constitutional principles. I refuse to see someone who acts out of devotion to the Constitution as a traitor. A criminal, maybe, but not a traitor.

    Once again, that is based on what I know so far. It is always possible we could learn something about this person and his actions that cast everything in a new light.
    I don't question his motives, I do question the lives he has endangered.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

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    I don't question his motives, I do question the lives he has endangered.
    What about the 4th and 5th Amendment? Are these things meaningless to you?

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    As those of us on the right keep having to point out: "libertarian" =/= "anti-government". it only seems that way to those who support boundless government, because they are less well suited to appreciate arguments for authority within defined limits. that's why you get all those silly "somalia should be your paradise" strawman arguments, where limited government is confused with anarchy.
    Im not using it as an anarchy claim im simply saying why would you not want to know what the government has been up to especially on infringement on civil liberties.


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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    He has destroyed collection programs that have saved lives in the past, and would likely have otherwise saved lives in the future. The American People did not grant Edward Snowden authority to make life or death decisions on their behalf - they granted that to their government instead.
    Sorry man,but snooping on every single American kinda goes against the whole idea of freedom.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Mr. Snowden is an American hero, in every sense of the word.

    He has put his entire life, career, and future in jeapordy, because he felt our freedom and Constitution was being violated.

    We should all strive to have even 10% of his courage.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

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    What about the 4th and 5th Amendment? Are these things meaningless to you?
    I treasure both. Therefore..... what?
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by Kanstantine View Post
    Mr. Snowden is an American hero, in every sense of the word.

    He has put his entire life, career, and future in jeapordy, because he felt our freedom and Constitution was being violated.

    We should all strive to have even 10% of his courage.
    Yeah, and I agree with Bill Maher, the guys who flew the planes into the Twin Towers were courageous, too.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Quote Originally Posted by wbcoleman View Post
    I treasure both. Therefore..... what?
    Spying on the international cellphone calls of Americans without probably cause of criminal or terrorist activity violates the 4th Amendment.

    Does this trouble you?

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Is it possible this program has saved lives? Absolutely. And once our technology advances to the point that the NSA actually CAN record and screen the contents of every phone call and email made I am sure even more lives could be saved. But it would still be wrong. Piece by piece by f-ing piece we are ceding our civil liberties in the name of security. Where does it stop? Where do we draw the line? It seems to me that the only thing keeping our government from absolute intrusion is the technology itself. As the technology improves the government WILL encroach more and more. History is proof positive of that.

    So when a public servant (ok, a contractor in this case) throws away his career and possibly risks his very freedom to give the People a wakeup call, it doesn’t make him a traitor.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

    Did this program save lives? Maybe.

    Did this program intercept terrorist communications? Maybe.

    Does that mean we should overlook its clear conflict with the 4th and 5th Amendment? **** no!!!!!

    That's like saying the German Enabling Act and Reichstag Fire Decree were good laws because they brought order to Germany.

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