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Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181, 607]

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If you have reconstructive surgery to change your penis (assuming you were truthful about your gender in your profile and no extreme incident has caused it to be removed), in to a vagina, your phenotype would exhibit characteristics of a female, not a male.

Exhibiting characteristics of something, and being something are two totally different things.
 
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Exhibiting characteristics of something, and being something are two totally different things.

Please elaborate.
 
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I can have breast implants and that exhibits characteristics of a female, does that make me female? No.

Because breasts are neither "sex" nor "gender" specific - a vagina is (save for rare instances like hermaphrodites).
 
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Or you could understand that knowledge has grown in the past 100 years and say "just because that's the way it used to be, doesn't mean that's the way it should stay." And yes, an argument can be made that both the biological (sex) AND psychological / sociological (gender) can both be changed.
You can change the anatomy, but that's not really the same thing as changing biology, is it?
 
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You can change the anatomy, but that's not really the same thing as changing biology, is it?

Considering an organism is biologically identifiable by both its genotypical and phenotypical characteristics and you'd be changing at least one phenotypical characteristic, then yes.
 
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If you have reconstructive surgery to change your penis (assuming you were truthful about your gender in your profile and no extreme incident has caused it to be removed), in to a vagina, your phenotype would exhibit characteristics of a female, not a male.
Your phenotype doesn't change. The term comes from genetics and refers to the expression of genes. Phenotype is not a fancy word for "appearance."
 
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Considering an organism is biologically identifiable by both its genotypical and phenotypical characteristics and you'd be changing at least one phenotypical characteristic, then yes.
You don't change someone's phenotype with surgery.
 
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Your phenotype doesn't change. The term comes from genetics and refers to the expression of genes. Phenotype is not a fancy word for "appearance."

Yes it can. Phenotype is a physical appearance due to interaction of genes and the environment.
 
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Yes it can. Phenotype is a physical appearance due to interaction of genes and the environment.
A phenotype is much more than appearance or physical traits. Surgery is not gene expression.
 
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A phenotype is much more than appearance or physical traits. Surgery is not gene expression.

Surgery is not gene expression, it sure isn't. That's what a phenotype is - the physical appearance from genetic and environmental influences.
 
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I have been doing some posting on a different site non political and been kind of focused. I will be switching back and forth now. I have never been considered a switch but i can work my way through it. hehehe How have you been love? Hope all is well.


atta girl. :lol: Been well. Glad to see you back. <hug>
 
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Because breasts are neither "sex" nor "gender" specific - a vagina is (save for rare instances like hermaphrodites).

But it isn't natural, it is artificial, just like implants. So how is that different?
 
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Navy Seals don't dick around. They know what they have to do...and do it.

Even if this Navy Seal has his male parts removed, he...or should I say "she" would still have more balls than most people...anyplace, anywhere.
 
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Exhibiting characteristics of something, and being something are two totally different things.
You completely disregard the mental makeup of a person and you must consider both mental and physical or you would be wrong. You seem to think a vagina or a penis is the determining factor and you do this because these are visible. These are only a part of what creates gender. Consider that most of our sexuality is mental and not physical at all. You disregard the greater portion of human sexuality in your discussion of gender. How can you do this and expect to be anywhere near accurate?
When you look at males they are not all the same and the same goes for females. The difference is mental makeup and characteristics. Gender is the same and if the mental is female in a male body it creates the transgender. The transgender is clinically valid. In fact if a male or female goes through the process they are legally able to marry as the gender they become. So obviously you have no basis to make your claim other than gender bias.
 
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You completely disregard the mental makeup of a person and you must consider both mental and physical or you would be wrong. You seem to think a vagina or a penis is the determining factor and you do this because these are visible. These are only a part of what creates gender. Consider that most of our sexuality is mental and not physical at all. You disregard the greater portion of human sexuality in your discussion of gender. How can you do this and expect to be anywhere near accurate?
When you look at males they are not all the same and the same goes for females. The difference is mental makeup and characteristics. Gender is the same and if the mental is female in a male body it creates the transgender. The transgender is clinically valid. In fact if a male or female goes through the process they are legally able to marry as the gender they become. So obviously you have no basis to make your claim other than gender bias.

I disagree.
 
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atta girl. :lol: Been well. Glad to see you back. <hug>
thank you. Sometimes i like to post in the area where i usually post here. I am glad you have been well. i love your avatar. hugs
 
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I disagree.
You have the right to disagree but your disagreement does not make you correct in any way shape or form. You are still making your claim on gender bias and what you see. The societal normative in this case is very far afield from the truth of the matter.
 
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You have the right to disagree but your disagreement does not make you correct in any way shape or form. You are still making your claim on gender bias and what you see. The societal normative in this case is very far afield from the truth of the matter.

Truth according to whom? Just because someone thinks they are a girl when they are not signals the need of psyciatric help. Perhaps this is a case of PTSD and confusion. Not a state of being.
 
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You completely disregard the mental makeup of a person and you must consider both mental and physical or you would be wrong. You seem to think a vagina or a penis is the determining factor and you do this because these are visible. These are only a part of what creates gender. Consider that most of our sexuality is mental and not physical at all. You disregard the greater portion of human sexuality in your discussion of gender. How can you do this and expect to be anywhere near accurate?
When you look at males they are not all the same and the same goes for females. The difference is mental makeup and characteristics. Gender is the same and if the mental is female in a male body it creates the transgender. The transgender is clinically valid. In fact if a male or female goes through the process they are legally able to marry as the gender they become. So obviously you have no basis to make your claim other than gender bias.

I disagree.

:lol: Come on, David. That's the best you can? "I disagree"?? She gave you this long, respectful, well thought-out post, and all you can say is "I disagree"? Do you not give any credence to anything at all she said? What about the mental part of sexuality? What are your thoughts on that?
 
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Truth according to whom? Just because someone thinks they are a girl when they are not signals the need of psyciatric help. Perhaps this is a case of PTSD and confusion. Not a state of being.
Actually truth according to the psychiatric, medical, and the legal field. Since it is agreed upon that sexual dysphoria is real by both ends of the medical field and a person who has the procedure can get married as the new gender i guess the answer would be pretty much everyone. The only people who seem to decent would be those who exhibit a gender bias.
 
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:lol: Come on, David. That's the best you can? "I disagree"?? She gave you this long, respectful, well thought-out post, and all you can say is "I disagree"? Do you not give any credence to anything at all she said? What about the mental part of sexuality? What are your thoughts on that?

It is true the mental part of our sexuality and gender has more to do with it than the physical. The proof is also in the ages where sexual dysphoria manifests itself. For most it is obvious long before puberty. Thanks
 
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Actually truth according to the psychiatric, medical, and the legal field. Since it is agreed upon that sexual dysphoria is real by both ends of the medical field and a person who has the procedure can get married as the new gender i guess the answer would be pretty much everyone. The only people who seem to decent would be those who exhibit a gender bias.

Fine, label me with Gender bias, I guess God is gender biased too since he created the guy male.
 
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Fine, label me with Gender bias, I guess God is gender biased too since he created the guy male.
Well if you want to get into a debate on god we would open another long set of issues including schizophrenia. So i guess it would be best to set on topic here. Yes it is gender bias or ignorance of the transgender world and entire sexual displacement area. I am not saying your bias is a bad thing for you. It is in fact the nonsense we have been taught since childhood. Girls do not all like pick and sometimes boys would rather play with dolls then play football. Gender and sexuality are a huge field and involve so much beyond what is seen. The physical is simply one aspect of our gender and sexuality. This is though the only portion we are asked to consider. oh and in the texts attributed to god there is no mention of transgender at all. Nor is there any mention of high rises or race cars so it seems like those texts missed a lot about the future world.
 
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But it isn't natural, it is artificial, just like implants. So how is that different?

Men and women have breasts. Men don't have vaginas and women don't have penises.

Fine, label me with Gender bias, I guess God is gender biased too since he created the guy male.

I see you're ascribing humanistic properties to a supernatural deity. How do you know "god" is a he?
 
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