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Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181, 607]

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Look, you don't know who I was as a small child and I do. It's really just that simple.

I don't claim to, but I think I'm making clear why you few might be doubted.
 
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I don't claim to, but I think I'm making clear why you few might be doubted.


Why is this so hard to understand, exactly? Small children need some level of stability and a shocking change like this could very easily cause them issues. I know who I was back then well enough to know it would have affected me poorly.
 
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Why is this so hard to understand, exactly? Small children need some level of stability and a shocking change like this could very easily cause them issues. I know who I was back then well enough to know it would have affected me poorly.

I suggest that isn't where stability comes from. You can do everything "normal" and lack stability. Stability for children comes in knowing your parents love you and will be honest with you, tackling whatever comes up together. It isn't in avoiding the troubles life presents.
 
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I suggest that isn't where stability comes from. You can do everything "normal" and lack stability. Stability for children comes in knowing your parents love you and will be honest with you, tackling whatever comes up together. It isn't in avoiding the troubles life presents.

Really? So you think kids won't be affected by one of their parents changing drastically?
 
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Really? So you think kids won't be affected by one of their parents changing drastically?

Again, they will get through it rather well if handled well by a parent who loves them.
 
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I did. You seem to think parents would be "disappointed" in homosexual children as they can't have grandchildren when, in fact, they do and can.

The nature of homosexuality in the US currently is that gay men, in particular, usually don't have children and feel that their sexual identity precludes that. It does not, and if they don't have children their parents will, as a general rule, be disappointed at best. There is no way of getting around that simple fact of human nature. Homosexuality will not ever really be regarded as normal or good or OK as long as gay men allow it to interfere with their own procreation.
 
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Results: Children in the preschool years were rated as adapting best to the transition, both initially and long-term. Adults also were able to adapt well, so long as the level of conflict between parents was low. Adolescents had the most difficult time adapting to a parental transition. The level of family conflict worsened the child's adaptation across all developmental levels. The therapists delineated both risk and protective factors for children during such a situation.

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A family of a transsexual father is described in which the children presented with difficulties and in which the intervention was successful.

Children of a transsexual father: A successful intervention - Springer
 
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The nature of homosexuality in the US currently is that gay men, in particular, usually don't have children and feel that their sexual identity precludes that. It does not, and if they don't have children their parents will, as a general rule, be disappointed at best. There is no way of getting around that simple fact of human nature. Homosexuality will not ever really be regarded as normal or good or OK as long as gay men allow it to interfere with their own procreation.

Where are your sources for your first claim? I'm showing ~22% in 2004. This is opposed to the 65% of males who identified as having a biological child. Would you expect them to, considering there are - what - 21 states that allow homosexual adoption? Why do you say homosexuality will never be regarded as good? Why does it have to be good (or bad)? Can't it just be? And, yes, homosexuality does have evolutionary advantages (or dispute that theory?). For example, see Ciani's work regarding fecundity.
 
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Why do
people continue to believe they can change sexes? Are people really this stupid?

Why can't people change? Most of our attitudes towards gender and what's acceptable are just constructs anyway.

I can put on a suit, it doesn't make me a man. If you just put on a dress, you're a man in a dress. To be seen as a woman involves doing a lot more than dresses, make up, and long hair. If she is living and being treated as a woman, then she knows what its like in society as a woman. I'll accept her as a woman.
 
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Why can't people change? Most of our attitudes towards gender and what's acceptable are just constructs anyway.

Sex =/= gender.
 
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Many parents don't "feel good" about their transgendered or homosexual children. That's just a fact. It's much better now that it's been in years past, but I'm pretty confident many parents are, at the very least, sad that their children are out of the mainstream. Not as much today, but most certainly in the past, they had/could have a very tough row to hoe.

Unfortunately, you are correct, Maggie.
 
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Let's be clear, CC argument is all linked back to gender which is a social construct making his argument laughably absurd for what he is trying to use it for. What is even worse is that he knows its not a good argument towards his goals, but he sitting there all the same passing it off as legit. If he wasn't so goddamn dishonest I could take him seriously, but he can't bring himself to be honest for even a second and so all I will do is mock his dishonestly.

It would be one thing if I was dealing with someone that didn't know what the problem was, be he damn well knows its crap, and so, yeah, I'm treating it accordingly.

See, this is completely incorrect. The issue, as I said is that you are uneducated on this topic. You have nothing, so you claim that I am wrong without providing anything to prove it. It's pure weakness on your part and it is amusing watching you constantly squirm around and make silly bloated comments when your ignorance on this topic is quite apparent.
 
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My arguments haven't been faced. Gender has no bearing on the case. Even if you were to include genitals you can't actually claim these individuals have changed sexes due to A DNA and b. that ***** ain't no *****. It's just a fact, baby. What you gotta do claim their boobs developed due to hormones? That isn't even argument. A mans boobs will develop with the proper hormones put in place. It's just a duh statement.

Your arguments have been shredded... what little argument you have presented. You don't understand the issue or how to debate it, Henrin. Just admit it and move on instead of posting things that we all are laughing at.
 
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Well then, how can you be SO sure it isn't psychiatric?

Plenty of research and outcomes. In order for it to be declassified in the DSM-V, 7 years worth of research and examination of research was done. It's not psychiatric.

Well, I'd like to see those because under the discussion section in your other that's exactly what it says. It states that the results may not be accurate because of those reasons among SEVERAL others.

The original study was early on and hormone replacement was not thoroughly examined. In more recent studies, it has been. As I said, I do not have the links to them, but I provided one of the abstracts.

What I meant by this was a naturally occurring hormonal imbalance.

This was taken into consideration and was seen as not being a factor.

I've also read that certain medications or hormones that a mother took during pregnancy and/or breastfeeding could cause some kind of chemical imbalance.

This is a theory that is out there also.

:) I understand that. I'm saying that the exact cause has NOT yet been determined. You have hypotheses based on some sketchy evidence. Now if I could look at some of those other larger sample sized studies, that would be great.

And I disagree. Key factors in proving a theory are a study being peer reviewed and the results being reproducible. These studies have met these tests.
 
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It would be pretty devastating for a child for daddy to turn into a woman suddenly. That is quite easy to see.

Complex issue that you are oversimplifying. MUCH more to this issue than that... which I explained quite completely.

For children, a lot of issues are black or white. I understand that everything is not.

Which is why things need to be handled sensitively.

I have yet to see the evidence to support this sudden change in opinion. Seems like a PC decision to me.

Solely because you disagree with it. As I said, that's denial.
 
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See, this is completely incorrect. The issue, as I said is that you are uneducated on this topic. You have nothing, so you claim that I am wrong without providing anything to prove it. It's pure weakness on your part and it is amusing watching you constantly squirm around and make silly bloated comments when your ignorance on this topic is quite apparent.

Your arguments have been shredded... what little argument you have presented. You don't understand the issue or how to debate it, Henrin. Just admit it and move on instead of posting things that we all are laughing at.

Did you come back to say just that? I couldn't imagine why. :lamo
 
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I trust what God said in the bible over some supposed expert.

And this is why you are ignorant on these subjects. You ignore science.
 
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You must be joking. What do you think is going to happen to them at school? Do you not know how cruel children are to one another? Even if they are handling it personally quite well (which I really cannot imagine), they would STILL go through hell, and of no fault of their own.

A boy looks up to his father as a role model, as an example. It would CERTAINLY be devastating. If you can't admit that, then don't even quote me anymore. I have no interest in speaking with someone so dishonest.

This is nothing more than black and white thinking. I've EXPLAINED to you the potential problems of the parent NOT taking action. All of this depends on HOW things are managed. It's not one size fits all.
 
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As I stated previously, he should wait until his children are adults. Otherwise, he is a selfish ass for putting his kids through this.

And as I stated, you are thinking black and white and are incorrect. There is far more here than just an either/or issue.
 
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How many times in a row do you usually respond, captain? I'm wondering because you don't appear to ever use the mutli-quote button. You do realize that one of the purposes of that feature is to prevent that kind of behavior, right?
 
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Did you come back to say just that? I couldn't imagine why. :lamo

It's important that I point out your ignorance on this topic, I wouldn't want some unsuspecting poster to come in here and falsely believe that anything you have said in this thread has any credibility. Some people enter threads towards the end. This way, no matter where people enter, they can laugh at you.
 
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How many times in a row do you usually respond, captain? I'm wondering because you don't appear to ever use the mutli-quote button. You do realize that one of the purposes of that feature is to prevent that kind of behavior, right?

Do you have something pertinent to say on this topic, Henrin, or shall we all continue to laugh at how ignorant you are in regards to it?
 
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It's important that I point out your ignorance on this topic, I wouldn't want some unsuspecting poster to come in here and falsely believe that anything you have said in this thread has any credibility. Some people enter threads towards the end. This way, no matter where people enter, they can laugh at you.

Yes, that is why. :lamo
 
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Do you have something pertinent to say on this topic, Henrin, or shall we all continue to laugh at how ignorant you are in regards to it?

Shouldn't mods use the features of the forum and understand why they exist?

Do you notice how I failed to use the feature here myself? Do you also notice how it needlessly interferes with the conversions flow?
 
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