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Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181, 607]

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You must be joking. What do you think is going to happen to them at school? Do you not know how cruel children are to one another? Even if they are handling it personally quite well (which I really cannot imagine), they would STILL go through hell, and of no fault of their own.

A boy looks up to his father as a role model, as an example. It would CERTAINLY be devastating. If you can't adlmit that, then don't even quote me anymore. I have no interest in speaking with someone so dishonest.

So mean being torment by others is a problem. That happens regardless. And we shouldn't excuse it.

But children don't know roles. They learn them. I'm saying it is all in how it is handled. It doesn't have to be devastating. You're reacting far too emotionally. Nothing I'm saying warrants it. We all don't react the same way. Different circumstances and approaches illicit different responses. I'm saying it doesn't have to be as bad as you're suggesting.
 
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Btw, as a kid I would have been disturbed by this being told to me. Just sayin'...
 
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Btw, as a kid I would have been disturbed by this being told to me. Just sayin'...

You think. :coffeepap
 
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When I was under 11 years old, it probably wouldn't have bothered me at all. (I don't think...I mean, who could know for sure?) It all depends on how it's presented....Tommy, daddy has decided he's sort of uncomfortable in his own skin. Do you sort of know what that means? That he's not happy with who he is. He says he's always felt like he's a lady and now, finally, he's going to do something about it. He still loves you just as much. He's the same person he always was. But he's going to have some things done that will change him to look more like a lady." I just don't think a child that age (maybe slightly younger) would question it too much. As long as nothing much changed with his relationship with his dad/now mom, I believe he'd be fine.

Now, contrast that with what mom's more LIKELY to say, "Your dad is nutz!!! He thinks he's mommy now, so he's going to have surgery done so he can pretend he's a girl!! Jesus H. Christ!!"

Much like when your kid falls down and looks up at you to see if he should cry or not. ;)

Just my humble opinion.

Are you really serious?
 
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Apparently it upsets people to have an opinion different than theirs. This has been enlightening.
 
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So, given the fact that their DNA is still identical to their birth sex and their genitals are not genuine do you still believe that a transgendered person has truly changed their sex?
Their genitals are genuine. And, as I have said, I believe that they have partially altered their sex.

Are you seriously arguing using the wording of a few surgeons that are advertising their transgender surgery services as if this is an absolute definition? They can claim all that, or "say that they" create a vagina, labia, clitoris and all those other things but that doesn't change the fact that what they are doing is altering current organs to appear like different ones. They do not have the function of a natural vagina, they are a modified penis that simply looks like one. What they are are creating imitations. I could go into more graphic detail but I'll spare the forum that. The transsexual vagina is an imitation vagina typically created from the penis, scrotum, and possibly other tissues from the body grafted in. Look this up for me, does the transsexual vagina keep a pH relative to a real vagina? What about the Bulbourethral gland/Bartholin's gland? How about prostatic fluid/vaginal fluid? It may look like a vagina, but it doesn't function as one and is lacking anatomical features you may not see.
If you have a better source than actual surgeons with medical knowledge who perform SRS, then provide it.

Also, the fact that I am not an SRS performing surgeon doesn't negate any of what I've argued.
Okay, provide a source. I've provided a credible source - the actual surgeons with medical knowledge who perform SRS. Your turn.

Let's establish a few things: You say you look at defining sex with a more "whole" picture by looking at DNA and genitals/anatomy.
It's not that I say sex should be defined by more than DNA. It's that sex is defined by more than DNA.

It has been shown that a transsexual's DNA remains unchanged from their birth DNA. Their genitals are formed from their birth genitals and lack the normal reproductive functions of natural genitals for their desired sex. What they have is an imitation created by surgical means to appear aesthetically like a vagina or penis. These imitation organs lack the proper physiological functions of natural, real sexual organs created through development as instructed by the person's DNA.
Not every person who is born a woman or a man is born with full, functioning genitalia. Even further, some men and women get their parts of their genitalia removed over their lifetimes for medical or other reasons. Their penises and vaginas are still "real." As a result, full, functioning genitalia are not a requirement of a person having "real" genitalia. Your argument is erroneous.

Also, provide a source that validates your disagreement with surgeons who actually perform the surgery.

If you took a DNA sample from a transsexual the results will say that they are their birth sex.
Correct.

If you look at reproductive function you would find that they have no reproduction function, that was removed/destroyed when their imitative reproductive organs were created.
If reproductive function is the qualification for "real" genitalia, then infertile or impotent men and women don't have "real" genitalia. That argument is absurd. Therefore, your argument is absurd.

You are ignoring genetics and placing your definition on aesthetics and the advertisements of a few surgeons that are advertising their surgical services. Biologically their sex has not been changed. You can argue that the ethics of their gender has been changed, but their sex remains the same.
I have specifically stated that sex includes DNA which means that I've done the exact opposite of what you are accusing me of. How dishonest. Your problem is that I'm not paying exclusive attention to genetics and that I'm not taking your word over the word surgeons who actually perform SRS. But like I said, if you have a better source than the actual surgeons who perform SRS, show me.
 
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When I was under 11 years old, it probably wouldn't have bothered me at all. (I don't think...I mean, who could know for sure?) It all depends on how it's presented....Tommy, daddy has decided he's sort of uncomfortable in his own skin. Do you sort of know what that means? That he's not happy with who he is. He says he's always felt like he's a lady and now, finally, he's going to do something about it. He still loves you just as much. He's the same person he always was. But he's going to have some things done that will change him to look more like a lady." I just don't think a child that age (maybe slightly younger) would question it too much. As long as nothing much changed with his relationship with his dad/now mom, I believe he'd be fine.

11 years old Maggie? :confused: I was much aware of what was going on around me before that age.

As to the rest, doubtful.

Now, contrast that with what mom's more LIKELY to say, "Your dad is nutz!!! He thinks he's mommy now, so he's going to have surgery done so he can pretend he's a girl!! Jesus H. Christ!!"

Much like when your kid falls down and looks up at you to see if he should cry or not. ;)

I think this is complete and utter bull**** as well.
 
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Are you really serious?

Well, yes. How do you think you'd tell the guy's 10-year-old son about it? Door #2??
 
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This thoughtless asshole isn't the victim here. His FAMILY is HIS victim. What a jerk!
 
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11 years old Maggie? :confused: I was much aware of what was going on around me before that age.

As to the rest, doubtful.



I think this is complete and utter bull**** as well.

Then give me your dialogue. What would you say to YOUR 10-year-old if your husband were having a sex-change operation? Or. What would you want your husband to say? Somebody has to tell him something. What should it be???
 
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This thoughtless asshole isn't the victim here. His FAMILY is HIS victim. What a jerk!

Yeah, that's the kind of objectivity that helps a child.
 
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This thoughtless asshole isn't the victim here. His FAMILY is HIS victim. What a jerk!

Bigotry is so ugly :(
 
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Then give me your dialogue. What would you say to YOUR 10-year-old if your husband were having a sex-change operation? Or. What would you want your husband to say? Somebody has to tell him something. What should it be???

As I stated previously, he should wait until his children are adults. Otherwise, he is a selfish ass for putting his kids through this.
 
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Okay, provide a source. I've provided a credible source - the actual surgeons with medical knowledge who perform SRS. Your turn.

that speaks to their ability to perform sex reassignment surgery, not define a biological term, or determine "authentic" sexual organs
 
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As I stated previously, he should wait until his children are adults. Otherwise, he is a selfish ass for putting his kids through this.

So he should stop seeing his children? Oh, I see. Wait to do it. I can't argue with that. If he can wait, he probably should. It he can't? Refer to Door #1. ;)
 
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Bigotry is so ugly :(

Define bigotry YS. I don't think you really even know what the term means. Saying that the guy is an ass for hurting his family is NOT bigotry. I notice how you avoid DIRECTLY calling me a bigot.

Anyone who denies that this is hurtful to a family is a no good liar, plain and simple.
 
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Bigotry is so ugly :(

Yes, it is.

For others:

Experts who counsel transgender parents say younger children, like Amaya, tend to adjust to the news of their parent's transition better than teenagers, and the best thing a parent can do is to be open and answer their child's questions.

When Mommy Is A Boy: How Children Adapt To Transgender Parents

Compared with children referred to the same clinical service regarding concerns about their own gender identity, the children of transsexual parents were less depressed and less likely to report peer harassment, persecution or victimization.

Children and Adolescents with Transsexual Parents Referred to a Specialist Gender Identity Development Service: A Brief Report of Key Developmental Features

Now, I'm not saying anything is perfect, but there's a little bit if dysfunction in every home. Of all the problems children face, ths is not likely the worse.
 
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So he should stop seeing his children? Oh, I see. Wait to do it. I can't argue with that. If he can wait, he probably should. It he can't? Refer to Door #1. ;)

Why are still quoting me. You think I'm a bigot.
 
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This thoughtless asshole isn't the victim here. His FAMILY is HIS victim. What a jerk!
1. You don't get to decide that the families of transgender people are "victims". If that's how families feel, then that's their feeling to have. They - not you - feel, determine and own their responses to the revelation that their parents are transgender. That you think you have the authority to just decide how the families do or ought to feel is disrespectful and irrational.

2. It is accurate to say that some, if not many, families of trans people have some amount of initial difficulty with their trans family member's revelation. Any huge information like that is bound to cause waves - to cause people to question their relationships and other things. However, as has been explained to you, families tend to ultimately respond with love to their trans mother, husband, et al. because, unlike you, they tend to have empathy and they educate themselves.
 
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This is pure dishonesty. I am absolutely disgusted and can't even believe it.
 
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Define bigotry YS. I don't think you really even know what the term means. Saying that the guy is an ass for hurting his family is NOT bigotry. I notice how you avoid DIRECTLY calling me a bigot.

Anyone who denies that this is hurtful to a family is a no good liar, plain and simple.

So is divorce. So is jail time. So is a death in the immediate family. So is a serious illness. There are many things families go through that are hurtful. Big time.
 
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1. You don't get to decide that the families of transgender people are "victims". If that's how families feel, then that's their feeling to have. They - not you - feel, determine and own their responses to the revelation that their parents are transgender. That you think you have the authority to just decide how the families do or ought to feel is disrespectful and irrational.

2. It is accurate to say that some, if not many, families of trans people who have some amount of initial difficulty with their trans family member's revelation. Any huge information like that is bound to cause waves - to cause people to question their relationships and other things. However, as has been explained to you, families tend to ultimately respond with love to their trans mother, husband, et al. because, unlike you, they tend to have empathy and they educate themselves.

And you certainly don't tell me what to think.
 
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So is divorce. So is jail time. So is a death in the immediate family. So is a serious illness. There are many things families go through that are hurtful. Big time.

Kids are not tormented in school because of divorce and injury. This guy is putting his kids through hell so that he can be a woman. It's selfish. Even if it isn't a guarantee that they will go through hell, taking that risk is clearly selfish. .
 
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