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Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181, 607]

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Texmex said:
I know it's unnatural to engage in the filthy practice these deviants revel in, but I digress.
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ANOTHER one who doesn't know what the word normal means, and ANOTHER one that presents his values as facts. Your values are irrelevant and meaningless to factual information. Your point is irrelevant.

If this Navy Seal wants to embarrass himself like this, it's up to him. He probably need some psychiatric help, but I doubt he receives it. Too much support form the Sodomite crowd.
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Nothing here but a demonstration of a total lack of understanding of the issue.
 
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Henrin said:
What do I need to provide exactly? Your argument is faulty at it's foundation and it's pretty easy to know exactly why. I just think its cute how everyone is running around using gender as their entire argument.
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You could present anything that supports your position. Thus far your argument is a big zero. No argument that you or anyone else on your side hasn't been shown to be incorrect. Come on, Henrin, show us SOMETHING.
 
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LowDown said:
Normal would be doing as one's own parents did, which is to say take a mate and procreate. That way the human race doesn't die out.

Note that the above doesn't necessarily preclude homosexuality. It's possible to do it as the Greeks did and have it both ways.
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Procreation and orientation have nothing to do with each other. Orientation does not make one unable to procreate, as all the children of gay people can attest to.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
You could present anything that supports your position. Thus far your argument is a big zero. No argument that you or anyone else on your side hasn't been shown to be incorrect. Come on, Henrin, show us SOMETHING.
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I love how I can sense you are aware your argument is meaningless on it's face.
 
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grip said:
The human race won't die out with artificial insemination.
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Eeew!
 
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Henrin said:
I love how I can sense you are aware your argument is meaningless on it's face.
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I've already told you that your mindreading ability is a complete failure Henrin. All you are doing is diverting from the fact that you have nothing. I understand that your argument is THAT weak. I'm glad that you do, too.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
Ah. Another one who doesn't know what the definition if normal is. Beyond that, your comment is based on your values... pretty irrelevant in this case.



Not everyone procreates or has procreated. The human race hasn't died out.



In other words, you just contradicted your own argument. Thank you.
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Wow. What poor reading comprehension.

If you take the two sentences of my post together then what does it mean to you?

Am I saying that homosexuality isn't normal? No.

Am I saying that it's normal to procreate? Yes.

Am I saying that homosexuals can procreate? Yes.

So just what, exactly, is it that you object to about my post?
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
I've already told you that your mindreading ability is a complete failure Henrin. All you are doing is diverting from the fact that you have nothing. I understand that your argument is THAT weak. I'm glad that you do, too.
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What is gender again? :lamo Don't worry, you're completely allowed to lean on it. Just don't think I will respect it.
 
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Henrin said:
What is gender again? :lamo Don't worry, you're completely allowed to lean on it. Just don't think I will respect it.
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What is your argument again? Don't worry, you are completely allowed to not present anything. Just don't think I won't continue to laugh at you because you have nothing.
 
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LowDown said:
Wow. What poor reading comprehension.

If you take the two sentences of my post together then what does it mean to you?

Am I saying that homosexuality isn't normal? No.

Am I saying that it's normal to procreate? Yes.

Am I saying that homosexuals can procreate? Yes.

So just what, exactly, is it that you object to about my post?
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Read your first line. Your comment presents a black or white scenario. It is normal to procreate AND it is normal to NOT. You might want to work on how you post so it is a bit more clear.
 
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LowDown said:
Wait, she was a woman who became a SEAL or a man who became a SEAL and then became a woman? Or maybe she's a woman who became a man who became a SEAL and then came out as a woman? Or a man who wanted to be a woman but became a SEAL and now has come out as a woman? It's all so confusing.

Regardless, once you're a SEAL you can call yourself Bongo the Wonder Chimp and people are not likely to argue.
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I think such incidents are pretty common and are assumed to reflect an attempt to assert their manliness. I think I've read cases of hardcore power lifters and body builders going through the same motions, as a means to deal with their confusion

But this is from memory and anecdotal. So take it for what you will

PS and I do think the "he is now a woman" arguments are a bit silly
 
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It's no longer "nature" OR "nurture," it is "nature" AND "nurture." Some people present only one side of this and have, thus, shown their close-mindedness and lack of intellectual integrity.
 
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Dr. Chuckles said:
I think such incidents are pretty common and are assumed to reflect an attempt to assert their manliness. I think I've read cases of hardcore power lifters and body builders going through the same motions, as a means to deal with their confusion

But this is from memory and anecdotal. So take it for what you will

PS and I do think the "he is now a woman" arguments are a bit silly
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I'm not sure too many people are arguing that she's a real honest-to-goodness woman, because I agree with you. She's not. Only that she deserves the respect to be called what she wishes and respected regardless of what one's thoughts on the matter may be. If I'm not too far mistaken, I think that's all these people want from the rest of us.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
Read your first line. Your comment presents a black or white scenario. It is normal to procreate AND it is normal to NOT. You might want to work on how you post so it is a bit more clear.
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Hummm. Well, to get back to the point, homosexuals can and should have children. Their parents will feel much better about them if they do.
 
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Dr. Chuckles said:
I think such incidents are pretty common and are assumed to reflect an attempt to assert their manliness. I think I've read cases of hardcore power lifters and body builders going through the same motions, as a means to deal with their confusion

But this is from memory and anecdotal. So take it for what you will

PS and I do think the "he is now a woman" arguments are a bit silly
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I wasn't even going to get into stuff about over-compensation. Could be she just liked the military when she was a he, and had a talent for it.
 
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MaggieD said:
I'm not sure too many people are arguing that she's a real honest-to-goodness woman, because I agree with you. She's not. Only that she deserves the respect to be called what she wishes and respected regardless of what one's thoughts on the matter may be. If I'm not too far mistaken, I think that's all these people want from the rest of us.
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Ive seen numerous people make that argument on this very board, actually. Yourstar being one of them.

Also, I am lost on where anyone would get an endorsement for not respecting their personal wishes from anything I wrote above. I was just attempting to highlight my comments about an outward projection of manliness had nothing to do with an overly sympathetic viewpoint. Which seems to be the main counter point being cited here to such things.
 
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LowDown said:
Hummm. Well, to get back to the point, homosexuals can and should have children. Their parents will feel much better about them if they do.
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Why would a parent not "feel good" about their child already regardless of their sexual orientation?
 
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Dr. Chuckles said:
Ive seen numerous people make that argument on this very board, actually. Yourstar being one of them.

Also, I am lost on where anyone would get an endorsement for not respecting their personal wishes from anything I wrote above. I was just attempting to highlight my comments about an outward projection of manliness had nothing to do with an overly sympathetic viewpoint. Which seems to be the main counter point being cited here to such things.
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Oh, I undersstand -- the rest of that post was directed at the world in general. ;)
 
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zgoldsmith23 said:
Why would a parent not "feel good" about their child already regardless of their sexual orientation?
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Many parents don't "feel good" about their transgendered or homosexual children. That's just a fact. It's much better now that it's been in years past, but I'm pretty confident many parents are, at the very least, sad that their children are out of the mainstream. Not as much today, but most certainly in the past, they had/could have a very tough row to hoe.
 
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MaggieD said:
Many parents don't "feel good" about their transgendered or homosexual children. That's just a fact. It's much better now that it's been in years past, but I'm pretty confident many parents are, at the very least, sad that their children are out of the mainstream. Not as much today, but most certainly in the past, they had/could have a very tough row to hoe.
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Glad to see love is conditional only if one meets the parents' expectations. Really? There's not a problem with that?
 
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zgoldsmith23 said:
Glad to see love is conditional only if one meets the parents' expectations. Really? There's not a problem with that?
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Where did I say there wasn't a problem with that?? If you aren't aware of parents who treat their homosexual children differently, whose hearts break for them, then I'd say you probably don't know too many homosexuals and the intricacies of their family relationships.
 
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zgoldsmith23 said:
Glad to see love is conditional only if one meets the parents' expectations. Really? There's not a problem with that?
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I think you're confusing love and pride.
 
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Here's the thing. Facts and biology say he is a man. You cannot change that. A genetically healthy person with XY or XX chromosomes will be male or female and that does not change. Altering the body to aesthetically appear like the other sex does not change their sex. He may feel like a woman, he may want to be a woman and he may try to look like a woman but he will never ever be a woman.

Sex is biological, it's science. Gender is more ethical (with links to sex) and social. As far as gender being an ethical thing he is still a female. In my view he is a man trying to appear as a woman and convincing himself that he is female. I respect his self image and how he wants to present himself, but ethically I do not believe that this makes him female or a woman and I believe that he is wrong.

I don't hate transgendered people or think people shouldn't be allowed to have the procedure done. It's their body, their self image, and their life. I can disagree but ultimately they should be free to make choices for themselves. However, if he is going to throw around his transgenderism it's not unreasonable for people do disagree and not be proud of his choice. It's also not reasonable for him to demand or force that everyone modify their ethics in a way that forces them to believe that he's a woman (not saying he is doing this, but this appears to be the argument of some). I don't hate him for being transgendered, I think if he thinks it will make him happy then that's fine, it's his body. However, I don't respect his decision in the fact that I agree with it and what I know from biological science and my ethical code regarding gender I do not recognize him as a woman and will not recognize him as a woman. No hate involved, and honestly it's a damn shame that people have to try and defend themselves from being lumped in with "haters, bigots, transophobes" and whatever stuff others want to make accusations of.
 
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zgoldsmith23 said:
Glad to see love is conditional only if one meets the parents' expectations. Really? There's not a problem with that?
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well, we can argue about what should be or just acknowledge what is. The later seems much more relevant to the discussion
 
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Mathematician said:
I think you're confusing love and pride.
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Why would you not have pride in your child if they were to be homosexual / transgendered?

MaggieD said:
Where did I say there wasn't a problem with that?? If you aren't aware of parents who treat their homosexual children differently, whose hearts break for them, then I'd say you probably don't know too many homosexuals and the intricacies of their family relationships.
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I wasn't targeting you, Maggie. I know homosexuals and have met their families. Of course, this is anecdotal and contributes little to the discussion.

Dr. Chuckles said:
well, we can argue about what should be or just acknowledge what is. The later seems much more relevant to the discussion
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Or you can realize both are pertinent. There's no exclusivity here.
 
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