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Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181, 607]

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Is it now? Believe what you will, captain.

Of course. Since I said, I am quite aware of my comment's INTENT. ;)
 
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Right there I think is the ultimate answer. If having [faux] lady parts and looking/acting the part does it for her, why not play along?

War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.

Play along.
 
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I find it interesting that so many people who have probably never spent any time around transgender people are so adamant and insistant on calling them by pronouns other than the apparently appropriate one.

One need never have seen a mountain to know that it is not called a valley.
 
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"Hello. This is the captain speaking. We're going to slowly proceed down the landing strip until we're cleared for takeoff. Prior to arrival, the stewardess will come by to collect the bags of peanuts."

If this is your way of acknowledging your error, I appreciate you admitting it and that you have learned something from this little exchange.
 
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One need never have seen a mountain to know that it is not called a valley.

What do you call it when it looks and acts and sounds like a valley.
 
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War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.

Play along.

One need never have seen a mountain to know that it is not called a valley.

You do understand that this issue is a bit more complicated than this, right?
 
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Some people seem not to understand that there are differences in brain chemistry that make us "feel" what we feel and that we cannot control. I cannot control the fact that I am a heterosexual female; fortunately for me, my brain and body are in agreement. Homosexuals cannot change the fact that they are homosexual; they love who they love, and are attracted to their own gender. They were born that way.

Now we look toward transgender people. Let's try to envision what it's like for them. Imagine yourself looking in the mirror, and having the body of the opposite sex staring back at you. If I saw the face and body of a man in my reflection, it would drive me insane because I KNOW that I'm a woman. My brain has told me so, and this male body feels like it must belong to someone else.

THAT is what I suspect it feels like when brain chemistry does not match physical gender. And I can totally understand doing anything humanly possible to create a body that my brain recognizes as the real me.

I don't understand why this is so difficult for some people to accept.
 
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One need never have seen a mountain to know that it is not called a valley.
This is one of those comments that sounds thoughtful on the surface, but isn't at all in reality.
 
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You do understand that this issue is a bit more complicated than this, right?

He has given no indication he does. Just giving him the benefit of the doubt?
 
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Some people seem not to understand that there are differences in brain chemistry that make us "feel" what we feel and that we cannot control. I cannot control the fact that I am a heterosexual female; fortunately for me, my brain and body are in agreement. Homosexuals cannot change the fact that they are homosexual; they love who they love, and are attracted to their own gender. They were born that way.

Now we look toward transgender people. Let's try to envision what it's like for them. Imagine yourself looking in the mirror, and having the body of the opposite sex staring back at you. If I saw the face and body of a man in my reflection, it would drive me insane because I KNOW that I'm a woman. My brain has told me so, and this male body feels like it must belong to someone else.

THAT is what I suspect it feels like when brain chemistry does not match physical gender. And I can totally understand doing anything humanly possible to create a body that my brain recognizes as the real me.

I don't understand why this is so difficult for some people to accept.

Without all the scientific information, this is an excellent and accurate description. Great post.
 
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Without all the scientific information, this is an excellent and accurate description. Great post.


An obvious one to boot.
 
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He has given no indication he does. Just giving him the benefit of the doubt?

Sure. Chuck has shown some insightfulness on a variety of issues in the past.
 
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You do understand that this issue is a bit more complicated than this, right?
The genesis of the desire to have a gender that is opposite birth sex is complicated, yes. Let me be clear; I do not advocate discrimination of transgendered people, and I believe they must be treated with utmost respect. But I don't think I should be obligated to call them something they aren't, and I resist all attempts to insult and shame me into doing otherwise.
 
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An obvious one to boot.

You still here? OK... so give us your assessment of DiAnna's post.
 
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But I don't think I should be obligated to call them something they aren't, and I resist all attempts to insult and shame me into doing otherwise.
It's not a matter of obligation so much as it is a matter of knowledge. To insist that transgender people are not the gender that they identify as is to insist that one wants to remain uninformed. Nobody is obligated to get educated. However, I can't imagine why one would not want to do just that.

EDIT: It's also a matter of respect and politeness. Nobody is obligated to be respectful or polite either. However, I also cannot imagine why anyone would want to not be either one of those things to be who have done nothing to harm you.
 
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The genesis of the desire to have a gender that is opposite birth sex is complicated, yes. Let me be clear; I do not advocate discrimination of transgendered people, and I believe they must be treated with utmost respect. But I don't think I should be obligated to call them something they aren't, and I resist all attempts to insult and shame me into doing otherwise.

If you choose to be impolite in instances of which we are speaking, that is your choice, but that's what it is. It has nothing to do with shame or insulting. It's accurate. It's like you hating your name and wanting to be called by a nickname name and me deciding that I am going to ignore that. I'd be rude in that instance. Since this is a complicated issue, with several factors determining what one's gender (not sex) is, your claim of what "they are" is overly simplistic and doesn't really apply. Either way, though, it's rude, but that's on you.
 
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The misgendering in this thread is sickening.

It's her people, her. It's not that ****ing complicated. :doh

If we were to look at his DNA, would it show him to be a male, or female?
 
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Doing the devil's advocate thing but there's a guy who thinks he should have been born a tiger. He's had his face tattooed and his teeth sharpened and even has implants in his lip where he can screw in whiskers;

tigerman.jpg


Is he a tiger?
 
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If we were to look at his DNA, would it show him to be a male, or female?
DNA is not the only thing that constitutes sex and gender so the answer to that question is irrelevant.
 
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DNA is not the only thing that constitutes sex and gender so the answer to that question is irrelevant.

Would there be an XY chromosome or an XX chromosome?
 
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Doing the devil's advocate thing but there's a guy who thinks he should have been born a tiger. He's had his face tattooed and his teeth sharpened and even has implants in his lip where he can screw in whiskers;

tigerman.jpg


Is he a tiger?

You do understand that a tiger is a different species, correct? You also understand that we know that sexuality is created both by mechanisms in the brain and through hormones and anatomy.

No offense, X, but this is a stupid argument.
 
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It's not changing sex. It's fixing her outsides to match her insides.



And the point is that she actually is female. That is who she is.



Right, and despite all the things trying to make this woman be a man, she cannot. Because she isn't a man.

What a crock! This man is a man, he may not like it, he may not want it to be true, but he is a man. All this has done is make him into an effeminate man, but a man none the less.
 
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Would there be an XY chromosome or an XX chromosome?

Let me clarify what TPD is saying. If one looks at one's DNA, one would see an XY or an XX chromosome. That is unchangeable. However, DNA is not the only things that constitutes sex and gender, so your question is attempting to overly simplify a complicated issue... and not succeeding.
 
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I really don't give a damn about the science behind it all.

If he identifies as a she, then I will regard her as a she.
 
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What a crock! This man is a man, he may not like it, he may not want it to be true, but he is a man. All this has done is make him into an effeminate man, but a man none the less.

No, this is not accurate. I will pose the same question to you. You seem quite uneducated on this topic. If you'd like, I can post information so you will be better informed. However, if you have decided to stick with your uninformed opinion regardless of the information posted, I will not waste my time.
 
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