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    Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

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    I was asking a question. Mental therapy helps lots of mental patients. Do you also have some research I can review that shows the surgery completely takes care of the disorder?
    There are a lot of studies and case histories which prove the point. It is the rare case where the surgery does not help and can make matters worse. This is very rare. Like any other disorder misdiagnosis can be made. The process is not infallible. The success rate is somewhere around 98% in treating the disorder. You can look up the stats on Google. It works very well. In fact a number of insurance companies are now covering the process. It has taken years for them to pick up the tab. They know now this is not a frivolous surgery. There are somewhere around 30000 Trans-people around the world. When you consider this in relation to society at large it is a drop in the bucket.
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    Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

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    I don't think anywhere in this thread did I say the brains were the same in a trans-woman and a born female. I have stated throughout gender is as much mental as physical. Never once have I mentioned the brain being the same. You have put words in my mouth. Women are more right brained and men more left brained. Yet some females have more masculine traits or what we refer to as masculine traits. Some men have more feminine or what we refer as feminine traits. Though the brain may be different as is the physical body sometimes the thinking is skewed. All men are not the same the feminine qualities can vary considerably in a male. Depending on where this percentage lies can certainly affect the way body is perceived which I am sure happens once children realize the physical differences. The mannerisms of a child have been noted in study and some males exhibit more feminine likes and attitudes. Some men exhibit more feminine qualities than some females. This has nothing to do with the brain being the same. This just happens and is a function of the mental process not the brain being the same. We do not understand these functions. What makes some men gay and the majority straight? We know it is not their brain being female. If this were the case it would be easy to know what makes one guy gay and the other not. The transgender is the same science does not know what causes this but it does happen. No it is not that the brain is the same as females just as the body is not. It is the mental process which is analyzed and how this person thinks and perceives the world which determines if they have sexual dysphoria.
    You are grossly over-reacting to what I said. You said mind and my thoughts went to neurology and the brain. Also if you accept that consciousnesses is an emergent quality then it stands to reason that mental states of mind also are connected in some way to physical realities and differences in the brain. There are reasons that on the mean men and women behave, think, and act relatively different and it is not just a product of social conditioning. My point being that while I would respect the need for a trans-women or trans-man to be called by whatever gender they feel most comfortable as, it doesn't mean they were actually born a male or a female and I'm not as keen on separating gender and sex as some others are.

    On a tangential point I think it highly likely that exhibitions of feminine, masculine, or other qualities has everything to do with the brain and our neurochemical makeup. We may not understand it yet, but it seems unlikely to me that it is unconnected to that. I would be very interested to see what we learn about the brains of transgendered people as the sophistication of neuroscience increases in the coming years.

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    Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    You are grossly over-reacting to what I said. You said mind and my thoughts went to neurology and the brain. Also if you accept that consciousnesses is an emergent quality then it stands to reason that mental states of mind also are connected in some way to physical realities and differences in the brain. There are reasons that on the mean men and women behave, think, and act relatively different and it is not just a product of social conditioning. My point being that while I would respect the need for a trans-women or trans-man to be called by whatever gender they feel most comfortable as, it doesn't mean they were actually born a male or a female and I'm not as keen on separating gender and sex as some others are.

    On a tangential point I think it highly likely that exhibitions of feminine, masculine, or other qualities has everything to do with the brain and our neurochemical makeup. We may not understand it yet, but it seems unlikely to me that it is unconnected to that. I would be very interested to see what we learn about the brains of transgendered people as the sophistication of neuroscience increases in the coming years.
    Gender Dysphoria is as you say not a product of environment. It is in the natural mental process of the patient. It will be interesting as the discoveries move forward as to why some of these situations occur. But this disorder like so many other disorders in a persons mental heath are unknowns. It is a matter of time and maybe never when they make new discoveries. Maybe someday they will do a better job in FtM surgery.
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    Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Fine, label me with Gender bias, I guess God is gender biased too since he created the guy male.
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    Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

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    Judge not lest ye be judged...?
    Out of context.
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    Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Out of context.
    What other context could it be used in? We all are guilty of trying to change who we really are, trying to counter what you believe God gave us. Perhaps a better quote is "let he who is without sin cast the first stone"
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    Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    What other context could it be used in? We all are guilty of trying to change who we really are, trying to counter what you believe God gave us. Perhaps a better quote is "let he who is without sin cast the first stone"
    Also, out of context.
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    Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Also, out of context.
    Please elaborate.
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    Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Politically correct is the dumbest thing ever and is partisan in nature. Call it for what it is.
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    When it comes to referring to people in a politically correct manner, you really need a third set of definitions: Sex: "What I am" Gender: "What I want others to think of me as"
    So, I had a friend who was born with Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (AIS). It's a condition where someone is genetically male, but their body did not respond to the male androgens (which cause male features to develop) during prenatal development. She identified as a female, expressed herself in a feminine manner, was attracted to girls and was biologically intersex.

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