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    Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

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    Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    They are, the were not different until people decided changing their sex was a good idea.
    When it comes to referring to people in a politically correct manner, you really need a third set of definitions:

    Sex: "What I am"
    Gender: "What I want others to think of me as"

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    Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    When it comes to referring to people in a politically correct manner, you really need a third set of definitions:

    Sex: "What I am"
    Gender: "What I want others to think of me as"
    Politically correct is the dumbest thing ever and is partisan in nature. Call it for what it is.
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    Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    Just because the body looks male does not make her a male. If the mind is female than she is female and those who would oppose this do not understand the nature of gender or sexuality.
    I'm with you up to a point. We now know there are some very discernible differences in male and female brain anatomy and even in our neurochemical distribution. For example men have larger parietal lobes, left hemisphere areas are proportionally larger in women, men may have longer axons in our white matter, and on and on. When it comes to chemical balances I think we are still delving into the matter and it may hold the keys to understanding the naturalistic origins for homosexuality.

    My problem is that I don't actually think there has been a consensus study that trans-women have the same 'brains' as naturally born females and it would be surprising if they actually were the same.

    That being said there is no reason to oppose the rights of trans men and women, but muddying the scientific waters to justify it doesn't seem like the way to go. Not that you were.

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    Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    I'm with you up to a point. We now know there are some very discernible differences in male and female brain anatomy and even in our neurochemical distribution. For example men have larger parietal lobes, left hemisphere areas are proportionally larger in women, men may have longer axons in our white matter, and on and on. When it comes to chemical balances I think we are still delving into the matter and it may hold the keys to understanding the naturalistic origins for homosexuality.

    My problem is that I don't actually think there has been a consensus study that trans-women have the same 'brains' as naturally born females and it would be surprising if they actually were the same.

    That being said there is no reason to oppose the rights of trans men and women, but muddying the scientific waters to justify it doesn't seem like the way to go. Not that you were.
    I don't think anywhere in this thread did I say the brains were the same in a trans-woman and a born female. I have stated throughout gender is as much mental as physical. Never once have I mentioned the brain being the same. You have put words in my mouth. Women are more right brained and men more left brained. Yet some females have more masculine traits or what we refer to as masculine traits. Some men have more feminine or what we refer as feminine traits. Though the brain may be different as is the physical body sometimes the thinking is skewed. All men are not the same the feminine qualities can vary considerably in a male. Depending on where this percentage lies can certainly affect the way body is perceived which I am sure happens once children realize the physical differences. The mannerisms of a child have been noted in study and some males exhibit more feminine likes and attitudes. Some men exhibit more feminine qualities than some females. This has nothing to do with the brain being the same. This just happens and is a function of the mental process not the brain being the same. We do not understand these functions. What makes some men gay and the majority straight? We know it is not their brain being female. If this were the case it would be easy to know what makes one guy gay and the other not. The transgender is the same science does not know what causes this but it does happen. No it is not that the brain is the same as females just as the body is not. It is the mental process which is analyzed and how this person thinks and perceives the world which determines if they have sexual dysphoria.
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    Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    Just because the body looks male does not make her a male. If the mind is female than she is female and those who would oppose this do not understand the nature of gender or sexuality.
    You make it sound like a mental disorder. XX and XY chromosome pairs seem to be the only common definitions, everything else seems like it falls into the transgender candidates.

    **added: For the record, I don't care what the Seal decides to do. Not sure why I even need to know--probably someone along the way has an agenda.

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    Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    You make it sound like a mental disorder. XX and XY chromosome pairs seem to be the only common definitions, everything else seems like it falls into the transgender candidates.

    **added: For the record, I don't care what the Seal decides to do. Not sure why I even need to know--probably someone along the way has an agenda.
    Gender Identity Disorder is listed as a disorder. Here is a link to Psychology Today Gender Identity Disorder | Psychology Today
    I don't really think I care what it is called it is a problem and it can be fixed. XX mental process and function is not the same as all other XX. XY are not all the same either. The disorder in my way of the thinking is that the body does not match the mental. When you consider the percent of people who actually have Gender Dysphoria it's really very rare in society.
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    Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    Gender Identity Disorder is listed as a disorder. Here is a link to Psychology Today Gender Identity Disorder | Psychology Today
    I don't really think I care what it is called it is a problem and it can be fixed. XX mental process and function is not the same as all other XX. XY are not all the same either. The disorder in my way of the thinking is that the body does not match the mental. When you consider the percent of people who actually have Gender Dysphoria it's really very rare in society.
    Why would they not just go to a mental hospital like other mental disorders?
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    Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Why would they not just go to a mental hospital like other mental disorders?
    These people do go through therapy and years of it. It is a disorder and can be corrected with a surgery. Once corrected the disorder is gone. Funny how it works. A medical surgery can fix a mental disorder. It makes one wonder whether the mental or the body is disordered. How would it be possible for a mental disorder to be cured by a surgery completely? It makes me think the disorder is far more physical than mental. Therapy does not correct Gender Dysphoria so why would you think a stay in a mental hospital would help?
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    Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    These people do go through therapy and years of it. It is a disorder and can be corrected with a surgery. Once corrected the disorder is gone. Funny how it works. A medical surgery can fix a mental disorder. It makes one wonder whether the mental or the body is disordered. How would it be possible for a mental disorder to be cured by a surgery completely? It makes me think the disorder is far more physical than mental. Therapy does not correct Gender Dysphoria so why would you think a stay in a mental hospital would help?
    I was asking a question. Mental therapy helps lots of mental patients. Do you also have some reasearch I can review that shows the surgery completely takes care of the disorder?
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