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    Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

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    If you have reconstructive surgery to change your penis (assuming you were truthful about your gender in your profile and no extreme incident has caused it to be removed), in to a vagina, your phenotype would exhibit characteristics of a female, not a male.
    Exhibiting characteristics of something, and being something are two totally different things.
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    Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

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    Exhibiting characteristics of something, and being something are two totally different things.
    Please elaborate.
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    Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    Please elaborate.
    I can have breast implants and that exhibits characteristics of a female, does that make me female? No.
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    Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    I can have breast implants and that exhibits characteristics of a female, does that make me female? No.
    Because breasts are neither "sex" nor "gender" specific - a vagina is (save for rare instances like hermaphrodites).
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    Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    Or you could understand that knowledge has grown in the past 100 years and say "just because that's the way it used to be, doesn't mean that's the way it should stay." And yes, an argument can be made that both the biological (sex) AND psychological / sociological (gender) can both be changed.
    You can change the anatomy, but that's not really the same thing as changing biology, is it?

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    Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    You can change the anatomy, but that's not really the same thing as changing biology, is it?
    Considering an organism is biologically identifiable by both its genotypical and phenotypical characteristics and you'd be changing at least one phenotypical characteristic, then yes.
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    Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    If you have reconstructive surgery to change your penis (assuming you were truthful about your gender in your profile and no extreme incident has caused it to be removed), in to a vagina, your phenotype would exhibit characteristics of a female, not a male.
    Your phenotype doesn't change. The term comes from genetics and refers to the expression of genes. Phenotype is not a fancy word for "appearance."

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    Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    Considering an organism is biologically identifiable by both its genotypical and phenotypical characteristics and you'd be changing at least one phenotypical characteristic, then yes.
    You don't change someone's phenotype with surgery.

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    Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Your phenotype doesn't change. The term comes from genetics and refers to the expression of genes. Phenotype is not a fancy word for "appearance."
    Yes it can. Phenotype is a physical appearance due to interaction of genes and the environment.
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    Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    Yes it can. Phenotype is a physical appearance due to interaction of genes and the environment.
    A phenotype is much more than appearance or physical traits. Surgery is not gene expression.

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