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    Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    So, given the fact that their DNA is still identical to their birth sex and their genitals are not genuine do you still believe that a transgendered person has truly changed their sex?
    Their genitals are genuine. And, as I have said, I believe that they have partially altered their sex.

    Are you seriously arguing using the wording of a few surgeons that are advertising their transgender surgery services as if this is an absolute definition? They can claim all that, or "say that they" create a vagina, labia, clitoris and all those other things but that doesn't change the fact that what they are doing is altering current organs to appear like different ones. They do not have the function of a natural vagina, they are a modified penis that simply looks like one. What they are are creating imitations. I could go into more graphic detail but I'll spare the forum that. The transsexual vagina is an imitation vagina typically created from the penis, scrotum, and possibly other tissues from the body grafted in. Look this up for me, does the transsexual vagina keep a pH relative to a real vagina? What about the Bulbourethral gland/Bartholin's gland? How about prostatic fluid/vaginal fluid? It may look like a vagina, but it doesn't function as one and is lacking anatomical features you may not see.
    If you have a better source than actual surgeons with medical knowledge who perform SRS, then provide it.

    Also, the fact that I am not an SRS performing surgeon doesn't negate any of what I've argued.
    Okay, provide a source. I've provided a credible source - the actual surgeons with medical knowledge who perform SRS. Your turn.

    Let's establish a few things: You say you look at defining sex with a more "whole" picture by looking at DNA and genitals/anatomy.
    It's not that I say sex should be defined by more than DNA. It's that sex is defined by more than DNA.

    It has been shown that a transsexual's DNA remains unchanged from their birth DNA. Their genitals are formed from their birth genitals and lack the normal reproductive functions of natural genitals for their desired sex. What they have is an imitation created by surgical means to appear aesthetically like a vagina or penis. These imitation organs lack the proper physiological functions of natural, real sexual organs created through development as instructed by the person's DNA.
    Not every person who is born a woman or a man is born with full, functioning genitalia. Even further, some men and women get their parts of their genitalia removed over their lifetimes for medical or other reasons. Their penises and vaginas are still "real." As a result, full, functioning genitalia are not a requirement of a person having "real" genitalia. Your argument is erroneous.

    Also, provide a source that validates your disagreement with surgeons who actually perform the surgery.

    If you took a DNA sample from a transsexual the results will say that they are their birth sex.
    Correct.

    If you look at reproductive function you would find that they have no reproduction function, that was removed/destroyed when their imitative reproductive organs were created.
    If reproductive function is the qualification for "real" genitalia, then infertile or impotent men and women don't have "real" genitalia. That argument is absurd. Therefore, your argument is absurd.

    You are ignoring genetics and placing your definition on aesthetics and the advertisements of a few surgeons that are advertising their surgical services. Biologically their sex has not been changed. You can argue that the ethics of their gender has been changed, but their sex remains the same.
    I have specifically stated that sex includes DNA which means that I've done the exact opposite of what you are accusing me of. How dishonest. Your problem is that I'm not paying exclusive attention to genetics and that I'm not taking your word over the word surgeons who actually perform SRS. But like I said, if you have a better source than the actual surgeons who perform SRS, show me.

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    Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

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    When I was under 11 years old, it probably wouldn't have bothered me at all. (I don't think...I mean, who could know for sure?) It all depends on how it's presented....Tommy, daddy has decided he's sort of uncomfortable in his own skin. Do you sort of know what that means? That he's not happy with who he is. He says he's always felt like he's a lady and now, finally, he's going to do something about it. He still loves you just as much. He's the same person he always was. But he's going to have some things done that will change him to look more like a lady." I just don't think a child that age (maybe slightly younger) would question it too much. As long as nothing much changed with his relationship with his dad/now mom, I believe he'd be fine.
    11 years old Maggie? I was much aware of what was going on around me before that age.

    As to the rest, doubtful.

    Now, contrast that with what mom's more LIKELY to say, "Your dad is nutz!!! He thinks he's mommy now, so he's going to have surgery done so he can pretend he's a girl!! Jesus H. Christ!!"

    Much like when your kid falls down and looks up at you to see if he should cry or not.
    I think this is complete and utter bull**** as well.

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    Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Are you really serious?
    Well, yes. How do you think you'd tell the guy's 10-year-old son about it? Door #2??
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    Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

    This thoughtless asshole isn't the victim here. His FAMILY is HIS victim. What a jerk!

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    Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post

    11 years old Maggie? I was much aware of what was going on around me before that age.

    As to the rest, doubtful.



    I think this is complete and utter bull**** as well.
    Then give me your dialogue. What would you say to YOUR 10-year-old if your husband were having a sex-change operation? Or. What would you want your husband to say? Somebody has to tell him something. What should it be???
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    Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    This thoughtless asshole isn't the victim here. His FAMILY is HIS victim. What a jerk!
    Yeah, that's the kind of objectivity that helps a child.
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    Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

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    Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    This thoughtless asshole isn't the victim here. His FAMILY is HIS victim. What a jerk!
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    Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post

    Then give me your dialogue. What would you say to YOUR 10-year-old if your husband were having a sex-change operation? Or. What would you want your husband to say? Somebody has to tell him something. What should it be???
    As I stated previously, he should wait until his children are adults. Otherwise, he is a selfish ass for putting his kids through this.

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    Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Okay, provide a source. I've provided a credible source - the actual surgeons with medical knowledge who perform SRS. Your turn.
    that speaks to their ability to perform sex reassignment surgery, not define a biological term, or determine "authentic" sexual organs

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