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    Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Scientifically, one's sex is determined by DNA. In a social, psychological or cosmetic construct, it may be determined by other factors. But one's DNA determines whether a human being was born male or female. All the surgeries, counseling, hormones, etc., etc., in the world don't change that.
    I'm not sure how many times that needs to be said, but apparently a lot.

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    PS and we remove the sexual organs of animals all the time. But such does not change their underlying biological sex.

    So yes, I would make the same argument outside this thread.

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    Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    I'm not sure citing secondary characteristics that it outlines as determined through chromosomal sex helps your case. Its like citing the visual characteristics of a frog that help determine its sex as the thing that defines it sex. Ignoring that they are secondary due to the fact they are largely dependent on the defining factor of chromonsonal sex and are only used when there is an absence of a measure of the later
    Whether they are "secondary" or some other qualifier is meaningless. DNA is not the only aspect of a person's sex - that's my only argument. You either accept that or you don't, but going off with a red herring about "secondary" vs whatever is useless.

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    Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    PS and we remove the sexual organs of animals all the time. But such does not change their underlying biological sex.

    So yes, I would make the same argument outside this thread.
    It should noted people are not animals. What makes a person is more than the physical or biological.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Whether they are "secondary" or some other qualifier is meaningless.
    No, it really isn't. We do not concede to the basis of visual identification, based on physical characteristics, over that of actual genetic testing. We use them in the absence of genetic testing, when the better determination of genetic testing isn't available


    DNA is not the only aspect of a person's sex - that's my only argument.
    right, your biological sex usually leads to various physical characteristics that help determine sex, based on visual identification, but they do not replace or supercede your genetic and biological sex



    You either accept that or you don't, but going off with a red herring about "secondary" vs whatever is useless.
    it wasn't a red herring. it speaks to you citing secondary characteristics as superseding what those secondary characteristics are derived from

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    Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It should noted people are not animals.
    actually we are

    What makes a person is more than the physical or biological.
    sex is a biological trait

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    Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    No, it really isn't. We do not concede to the basis of visual identification, based on physical characteristics, over that of actual genetic testing. We use them in the absence of genetic testing, when the better determination of genetic testing isn't available

    right, your biological sex usually leads to various physical characteristics that help determine sex, based on visual identification, but they do not replace or supercede your genetic and biological sex

    it wasn't a red herring. it speaks to you citing secondary characteristics as superseding what those secondary characteristics are derived from
    I've never made any argument about "secondary characteristics" or anything other than to say that sex is not just DNA. Since, I've never made such arguments, your introduction of them into the conversation is, in fact, a red herring. I'm not going to debate a red herring. Period.

    It speaks volumes, however, that since you can't deny the accuracy of my actual argument, you've gone on a tangent.

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    Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    actually we are



    sex is a biological trait
    No, we are not. And we are more than the biological.

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    Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, we are not. And we are more than the biological.
    I'm actually interested in what you are eluding to here.

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    Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I've never made any argument about "secondary characteristics" or anything other than to say that sex is not just DNA. Since, I've never made such arguments, your introduction of them into the conversation is, in fact, a red herring. I'm not going to debate a red herring. Period.

    It speaks volumes, however, that since you can't deny the accuracy of my actual argument, you've gone on a tangent.
    You really have no idea what he was getting at. Sad.

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