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Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181, 607]

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katiegrrl0 said:
It sure does. You are making a statement that gender is defined by the physical presence. Gender is defined by the mind or the mental makeup. A small child say a male who is prepubescent who is more inclined to do the things society has ascribed to the female role has no sexual interest in changing identity but is none the less female in the mind. So how do you determine gender mental or physical? There are two choices. Do you try and push what the brain is saying aside because this person has the wrong genitals. You are basing your thought on the rules society has placed on all of us. Those rules and roles are wrong IMO. There are hundreds of books on the topic of gender being mental. You can start by reading Gender Outlaw. You could also do some reading on Third Gender which tells us about people who feel neither female or male. It would be my suggestion do do some study before making a brash set in stone statement.
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You know I luvs ya', Katie, but this is very difficult to read.
 
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katiegrrl0 said:
It sure does. You are making a statement that gender is defined by the physical presence. Gender is defined by the mind or the mental makeup. A small child say a male who is prepubescent who is more inclined to do the things society has ascribed to the female role has no sexual interest in changing identity but is none the less female in the mind. So how do you determine gender mental or physical? There are two choices. Do you try and push what the brain is saying aside because this person has the wrong genitals. You are basing your thought on the rules society has placed on all of us. Those rules and roles are wrong IMO. There are hundreds of books on the topic of gender being mental. You can start by reading Gender Outlaw. You could also do some reading on Third Gender which tells us about people who feel neither female or male. It would be my suggestion do do some study before making a brash set in stone statement.
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No gender is defined by what you were born with.
 
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MaggieD said:
You know I luvs ya', Katie, but this is very difficult to read.
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Are you talking about the color or the content?
 
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davidtaylorjr said:
No gender is defined by what you were born with.
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You are born with a specific body and a different mind or thought process which one do you go by. If the mind says female and the body says male which is correct? You are saying one has a higher priority than the other. Why are you selecting the body over the mind?
 
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I was having the same problem. :lol: Katie - been wondering where you were. There were a couple of threads that I knew you would have been involved in, had you seem them. :D
 
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katiegrrl0 said:
You are born with a specific body and a different mind or thought process which one do you go by. If the mind says female and the body says male which is correct? You are saying one has a higher priority than the other. Why are you selecting the body over the mind?
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Your argument, does it have a point? Do you have proof that people are born with a "female mind" and a male body?
 
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Superfly said:
I was having the same problem. :lol: Katie - been wondering where you were. There were a couple of threads that I knew you would have been involved in, had you seem them. :D
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I have been doing some posting on a different site non political and been kind of focused. I will be switching back and forth now. I have never been considered a switch but i can work my way through it. hehehe How have you been love? Hope all is well.
 
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davidtaylorjr said:
Your argument, does it have a point? Do you have proof that people are born with a "female mind" and a male body?
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I gave you a book title and there are hundreds of others as well.
Here is a wiki link to be quick. Third gender - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Here is a huge book filled with studies and actual case histories. Third Sex Third Gender Beyond Sexual Dimorphism in Culture and History Edited by Gilbert Herdt.
This net book addresses directly gender in the mind Delusions of Gender: How Our Minds, Society, and Neurosexism Create Difference by Cordelia Fine.

There are so many to list them all would crash the site. Check out this in Google Gender Studies or check Amazon under the same topic for further reading. Of course there will be those who oppose this as there always are but enough information is available on gender dysphoria it make my point valid and fully legitimate. There are certainly two sides too this coin of gender and which one do we as a society honor. Does Mind or Body take precedence? In many cases a Third Gender person is gender blind to them self and are happy in the body they are in but feel disjointed in the role. In the case of transgender these people feel totally out of place in role identity and body and so SRS (Sexual Reassignment Surgery) and HRT (Hormone Replacement Therapy) work to align body and mind. We have been taught as a society that gender is based only on physical but it really is not the case. Most people do align and there is not a problem. This gender identity is historical and not something new. It has existed throughout history. We are now able to correct it and so it is more noticed.
 
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davidtaylorjr said:
Dishonest? 2. a. "sex"
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"a : sex <the feminine gender>
b : the behavioral, cultural, or psychological traits typically associated with one sex"

Social science prevails in gender, not physical science. Sex does not equate to gender. So, not only have you been shown to be dishonest, you've been shown to be ignorant in both a social science AND a physical science - you really are "Very Conservative." :lol:
 
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zgoldsmith23 said:
"a : sex <the feminine gender>
b : the behavioral, cultural, or psychological traits typically associated with one sex"

Social science prevails in gender, not physical science. Sex does not equate to gender. So, not only have you been shown to be dishonest, you've been shown to be ignorant in both a social science AND a physical science - you really are "Very Conservative." :lol:
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Does social science trump physical science? His sex is male, no matter how bad he wants it differently. And he should be treated as such.
 
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davidtaylorjr said:
Does social science trump physical science? His sex is male, no matter how bad he wants it differently. And he should be treated as such.
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Physical science trumps all in my worldview (not that it really matters). Why is his sex male? Are you selectively picking just genotypical facts yet negelecting the phenotypical facts? And she should be treated as such.
 
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zgoldsmith23 said:
Physical science trumps all in my worldview (not that it really matters). Why is his sex male? Are you selectively picking just genotypical facts yet negelecting the phenotypical facts? And she should be treated as such.
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You are born with all male parts, that makes you a male. The only situation that is different is if someone is born with male and female parts, then yes, the person makes the choice.
 
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zgoldsmith23 said:
"a : sex <the feminine gender>
b : the behavioral, cultural, or psychological traits typically associated with one sex"

Social science prevails in gender, not physical science. Sex does not equate to gender. So, not only have you been shown to be dishonest, you've been shown to be ignorant in both a social science AND a physical science - you really are "Very Conservative." :lol:
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Uhh... by definition (a) it does.
 
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Taylor said:
Uhh... by definition (a) it does.
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Sex is a biological definition; gender is a social definition.
 
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davidtaylorjr said:
You are born with all male parts, that makes you a male. The only situation that is different is if someone is born with male and female parts, then yes, the person makes the choice.
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You can change the phenotype.
 
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zgoldsmith23 said:
Sex is a biological definition; gender is a social definition.
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LOL - it really depends on which definition you choose to use, doesn't it. Gender has been synonymous with sex for hundreds of years. Now, rather than actually trying to convince people that someone who is born male and who identifies as a female should be considered and referred to as "she" - you'd rather play silly word games and impose your definitions on others and call them dishonest.
 
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Taylor said:
LOL - it really depends on which definition you choose to use, doesn't it. Gender has been synonymous with sex for hundreds of years. Now, rather than trying to convince people that someone who is born male and who identifies as a female should be considered and referred to as "she" - you'd rather play silly word games and impose your definitions on others and call them dishonest.
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Or you could understand that knowledge has grown in the past 100 years and say "just because that's the way it used to be, doesn't mean that's the way it should stay." And yes, an argument can be made that both the biological (sex) AND psychological / sociological (gender) can both be changed.
 
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davidtaylorjr said:
So if I change my mind and believe I am a girl, I am now a girl?
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If you have reconstructive surgery to change your penis (assuming you were truthful about your gender in your profile and no extreme incident has caused it to be removed), in to a vagina, your phenotype would exhibit characteristics of a female, not a male.
 
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