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    re: Nelson Mandela admitted to hospital in 'serious condition' [W:47:W:117]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    His scheme very similar to what was done in Russia back when I believe Stalin was in charge. Though I might be mistaken on the leader. It's funny how all these really messed up ideas are all found in really ****ed up leaderships throughout history.
    Between land "reform" in Russia and China, tens of millions of lives were lost.
    I came into this world fighting, screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I have no problem going out the same way.

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    re: Nelson Mandela admitted to hospital in 'serious condition' [W:47:W:117]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Hitler defeated Jewish oppression. I guess that was a good thing, too.
    Leave to adpst, the supposedly black man on this forum, to make such a spacious comparison that is devoid of any connection to historical facts.

    South Africa:

    Race based economic oppression: Check.
    Race based cultural oppression: Check.
    Race based social oppression: Check.

    Germany:

    Race based economic oppression: Check.
    Race based cultural oppression: Check.
    Race based social oppression: Check.

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    Yet SOMEHOW, apdst decided it was zee Joos who did the oppressing or there was no white oppression in South Africa.

    Un-****ing-believable.
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    re: Nelson Mandela admitted to hospital in 'serious condition' [W:47:W:117]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post

    South Africa:

    Race based economic oppression: Check.
    Race based cultural oppression: Check.
    Race based social oppression: Check.

    Germany:

    Race based economic oppression: Check.
    Race based cultural oppression: Check.
    Race based social oppression: Check.

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    South Africa, today:

    Race based economic oppression: Check.
    Race based cultural oppression: Check.
    Race based social oppression: Check.
    I came into this world fighting, screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I have no problem going out the same way.

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    re: Nelson Mandela admitted to hospital in 'serious condition' [W:47:W:117]

    Quote Originally Posted by a777pilot View Post
    South Africa, today:

    Race based economic oppression: Check.
    Race based cultural oppression: Check.
    Race based social oppression: Check.
    Utter nonsense. Most land in South Africa is owned by whites, whites are still able to engage in their culture as they see fit, they're not banned from any events or social positions. You claiming it so, doesn't make it true. But hey, here are the facts:

    Promised Land . Q&A: Land Reform in South Africa | POV | PBS

    Less than 7 percent of land has been redistributed to date, and if current performance continues there is no likelihood that the target of one third will be achieved even by 2025.
    http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/africaatlse/2...ands-of-a-few/

    as one ascends, the houses get progressively bigger and more expensive, and the demographic increasingly white and wealthy.
    No wonder the therapy industry is booming in wealthy South African neighbourhoods. Rich white people in places like Pretoria East have to bear the impossible burden of ignoring the searing contradictions of their existence, pretending that their wealth is somehow legitimate now that apartheid is over, reminding themselves that they pay “market” wages to the workers who labour for the betterment of their pampered lawns and babies.
    https://globaledge.msu.edu/countries...africa/economy

    The Government of South Africa demonstrated its commitment to open markets, privatization, and a favorable investment climate with its release of the crucial Growth, Employment and Redistribution (GEAR) strategy--the neoliberal economic strategy to cover 1996-2000. The strategy had mixed success. It brought greater financial discipline and macroeconomic stability but failed to deliver in key areas. Formal employment continued to decline, and despite the ongoing efforts of black empowerment and signs of a fledgling black middle class and social mobility, the country's wealth remains very unequally distributed along racial lines.
    http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2006/s1665276.htm

    ZOE DANIEL: There's still a form of economic apartheid in South Africa, where as a rule, black people are poorer than whites.

    Moshe Langa from Soweto is one of the lucky ones.

    His father's worked hard to give his child the best possible education and he also fought in the struggle.

    MOSHE LANGA: He told me that he went to prison and then also went to exile working for us, for me to be here.

    ZOE DANIEL: Thirty years ago, kids like Moshe Langa would also have been fighting. These days it's a battle to get a job with 40 per cent unemployment. That's why access to education is critical.
    No matter how much you repeat the same nonsense, it doesn't do away from the facts. The only thing which has changed in South Africa are the basic legal infrastructure. Now, it's no longer legal to beat up blacks on the street. For the most part, the country is still divided with whites being mostly on top economically, politically, etc.
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    re: Nelson Mandela admitted to hospital in 'serious condition' [W:47:W:117]

    Quote Originally Posted by a777pilot View Post
    ...and replaced it with black oppression.
    You've never been there, you have absolutely no idea what the **** you're talking about.

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    re: Nelson Mandela admitted to hospital in 'serious condition' [W:47:W:117]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    You've never been there, you have absolutely no idea what the **** you're talking about.
    I've been to many countries but not South Africa. I do not have to go there to understand what is going on there.
    I came into this world fighting, screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I have no problem going out the same way.

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    re: Nelson Mandela admitted to hospital in 'serious condition' [W:47:W:117]

    Quote Originally Posted by a777pilot View Post
    I've been to many countries but not South Africa. I do not have to go there to understand what is going on there.
    No but you could at least do some proper research.

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    re: Nelson Mandela admitted to hospital in 'serious condition' [W:47:W:117]

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    No but you could at least do some proper research.
    Look! Research!

    Genocide and Communism Threaten South Africa
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    re: Nelson Mandela admitted to hospital in 'serious condition' [W:47:W:117]

    Mandela is a great man, who has suffered more than any of us can imagine and helped end Apartheid. It's sad that he is so old and frail now, and I too believe it's unlikely he will leave the hospital this time. The world is better because he was a part of it.

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    re: Nelson Mandela admitted to hospital in 'serious condition' [W:47:W:117]

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Its ironic that right wing patriotic Americans would hate a man who rose up against colonial oppression just so his people could be free to vote and be represented in gov.
    A couple of individuals in this thread, not all of whom appear to be "right-wing", do not represent millions of other "right wing patriotic Americans". And wolfie, whose post #56 was also rather hateful, is British, not American. Generalizing people by country or political ideology is usually a bad idea.

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