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    Conflicting Laws, Ambiguous Language Help Fuel IRS Confusion

    There is no scandal involving the IRS and President Obama, the controversy is the result of the ambiguous language in the laws and the explosion of nonprofits after the Citizens United SCOTUS decision. What does "social welfare" really mean? Could it mean a group helping low income vote; or teaching the Constitution? Also, the original 1913 law stated "exclusively" social welfare but this changed in 1959 to "primarily" engaged in... These statutes need to be revisited by Congress to remove the ambiguity. Above all, everyone needs to be treated equally regardless of politics.

    WASHINGTON (AP) — The uproar over the Internal Revenue Service’s heavy-handed treatment of conservative groups seeking tax-exempt status can be traced partly to when New York University Law School went into the noodle business.

    The 1947 episode — more on that later — helped produce conflicting laws covering the kinds of activities tax-exempt organizations may conduct. The IRS’ attempt to enforce those contradictory laws with vague regulations has sown even more confusion, tax lawyers, former agency officials and others agree.


    “It’s hard for groups to understand what the standards are, and different lawyers have different definitions of where to draw the line,” said Abby Levine, who dispenses advice on nonprofit status to scores of groups as legal director of the liberal Alliance for Justice.

    While no one interviewed by The Associated Press for this story defended the IRS’ targeting of tea party and other conservative groups, no one disputed that the rules governing political activities by tax-exempt organizations are hard for everyone to follow, including the IRS. With one law saying some tax-exempt groups must engage “exclusively” in social welfare work, while a regulation changes the threshold to “primarily,” President Barack Obama said last month that the result is “a bunch of ambiguity.”

    In the spotlight is a section of the tax code that has become increasingly attractive to many organizations in recent years, 501(c)(4), which grants tax-exempt status to so-called social welfare groups. Over the years, such groups have been allowed to participate in overt political activity as long as they focus mostly on social welfare work. While many of them engage in little or no political activity, for those involved in politics the designation offers a valuable feature: It lets donors remain anonymous.

    After the Supreme Court in its 2010 Citizens United decision allowed unfettered political spending by companies and unions, campaign spending by social welfare groups exploded. Between the 2008 and 2012 elections it tripled, to $254 million, according to the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics, which tracks political expenditures.

    The IRS received 3,357 applications for Section 501(c)(4) status last year, nearly double the number in 2010, according to the Treasury Department.

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    Re: Conflicting Laws, Ambiguous Language Help Fuel IRS Confusion

    The scandal is that conservative-sounding groups were targeted for "additional review," as acknowledged by the IRS.

    I'd love to have a discussion of the ambiguity regarding the 501(c) tax exemption, but your denial of blatant political targeting of these groups shows you don't want an honest discussion.

    Carry on, partisan hack.

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    Re: Conflicting Laws, Ambiguous Language Help Fuel IRS Confusion

    Quote Originally Posted by StringBean View Post
    The scandal is that conservative-sounding groups were targeted for "additional review," as acknowledged by the IRS.

    I'd love to have a discussion of the ambiguity regarding the 501(c) tax exemption, but your denial of blatant political targeting of these groups shows you don't want an honest discussion.

    Carry on, partisan hack.
    Really? Where in your opinion am I denying anything?

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    Re: Conflicting Laws, Ambiguous Language Help Fuel IRS Confusion

    Lol.....

    Your'e so desperately blinded by a corrupted ideology your forced to go fishing until you find a position that agrees with yours, as wrong as it may be.

    The writer of that article so convienetly ignores the IRSs releasing of private donor data and the lie that there was a massive increase in the number of Tea Party claimsafter the 2010 election.

    If this is no scandal ( Its a HUGE scandal ) why didn't the IRS give the Senate comittee the documents they asked for ? They had a deadline of May the 31st.

    Why did Lois Lerner plead the fifth ? Why the Obfuscation from the two prior Commisioners ?

    Lol...

    Truth is the comittees are working in closed door sessions on the IRS scandal now. It didn't go away.
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    Re: Conflicting Laws, Ambiguous Language Help Fuel IRS Confusion

    The general rule of thumb is you can say "Obama passed the most expensive welfare program in history" and it is education; if you ad "so vote against Obama" or "Vote for Romney" then you are politicking.

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    Re: Conflicting Laws, Ambiguous Language Help Fuel IRS Confusion

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Really? Where in your opinion am I denying anything?
    Yeah, and it was just a 50:50 chance that a liberal administration would accidentally pick on conservative non-profits for additional scrutiny.
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    Re: Conflicting Laws, Ambiguous Language Help Fuel IRS Confusion

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Lol.....

    Your'e so desperately blinded by a corrupted ideology your forced to go fishing until you find a position that agrees with yours, as wrong as it may be.

    The writer of that article so convienetly ignores the IRSs releasing of private donor data and the lie that there was a massive increase in the number of Tea Party claimsafter the 2010 election.

    If this is no scandal ( Its a HUGE scandal ) why didn't the IRS give the Senate comittee the documents they asked for ? They had a deadline of May the 31st.

    Why did Lois Lerner plead the fifth ? Why the Obfuscation from the two prior Commisioners ?

    Lol...

    Truth is the comittees are working in closed door sessions on the IRS scandal now. It didn't go away.
    You're baiting me. Please stop! As for your questions they are off topic.

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    Re: Conflicting Laws, Ambiguous Language Help Fuel IRS Confusion

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    You're baiting me. Please stop! As for your questions they are off topic.
    Uhm...no. For 8 years I had to listen to the nonsesne, the false narratives and the attack on what was essentially an honest mans character so you guys could elect a group of outright corrupt incompetent thugs to ruin our Country.

    Most of the current IRS investigations are being done in private now, and I promise you this is only the beigining of whats going to be confirmed as the most egregious examples of over reach in our Countries history.

    This is as serious as it gets as Obama's AG perjurs himself and refuses to answer for something that would have one of us sitting in prison, and new information on the IRS scandals reveals the true scope of Obama's corruption.

    You make light of Government officials breaking the law and violating peoples Constitutional rights.
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    Re: Conflicting Laws, Ambiguous Language Help Fuel IRS Confusion

    Sorry, my post got cut short but pay close attention to this name as the possible source of the orders to harrass Conservatives via the IRS.

    Robert Bauer.

    The FBI needs to make a bee line to that scum bag POS.
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    Re: Conflicting Laws, Ambiguous Language Help Fuel IRS Confusion

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Sorry, my post got cut short but pay close attention to this name as the possible source of the orders to harrass Conservatives via the IRS.

    Robert Bauer.

    The FBI needs to make a bee line to that scum bag POS.
    Who the hell is he?

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