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    Re: 10 Arrested in Student Brawl at Proviso East High School

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    233 posts, and we all know by this comment that you are not here in DP to debate anything....Thanks for proving it early on....Now we can just ignore your lunacy.
    Is that kinda like you refusing to actually back up youre comments from the OP? Your inability to explain why similar incidents occur is geographically, culturally and politically diverse areas of the country but in this case it must be because of liberals? Or how you ran away when challenged on it?
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    Re: 10 Arrested in Student Brawl at Proviso East High School

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Is that kinda like you refusing to actually back up youre comments from the OP? Your inability to explain why similar incidents occur is geographically, culturally and politically diverse areas of the country but in this case it must be because of liberals? Or how you ran away when challenged on it?
    Still lying about others, as you yourself break the rules eh?....Keep it up missy.....
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    Re: 10 Arrested in Student Brawl at Proviso East High School

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Oooh ooh can I explain ??
    Feel free.

    Hmmm lets see...
    Waiting...

    Welfare laws that enable generational dependence AND single parent homes.
    Welfare creates dependancy?

    This is conjecture, without some kind of study or evidence to support this assertion.

    Political Correctness that stifles honest debate which leads to ZERO being done about the collapse of inner city schools, neighborhoods and cultures.
    ...You're right, inner city schools don't ever discuss how poorly they're making out. They won't even acknowledge the problem, what do they expect when they're being so PC!?

    This is conjecture, again. You've not provided evidence of anything.

    Attacks on the conventional Family unit and the empowerment of single mothers as a viable alternative to raising children effectively.
    This one's an old conservative standard, though it too is usually a lacking argument.

    Luckily for you, people at least actually research and study the trend towards single motherhood, either in support or denouncement. It should be easy for you to find relevant links to studies citing the disadvantages single motherhood imparts on children and inner city families.

    In short, you need more evidence and less opinion.

    The legitimization of destructive counter culture sterotypes. That includes the whole " Hip Hop" culture, the gang culture, the mysoginistic music that promotes violence and irresponsible behaviour......hey Obama loves him some Jay-Z....lol what a fu** Country this has become.
    Your talking points belong in the late 80s and early 90s. Ascribing to hip hop culture isn't the same as ascribing to gang culture, particularly as the mainstream music genre has moved away from the Gangsta Rap trend of those eras.

    Though I agree that misogyny in hip hop music is a problem, it still isn't the issue we're discussing.

    You've yet to actually cite or reference any specific policies (as I asked for) that display a connection between progressive/liberalism in these cities and the brawl at Proviso East high school. I'd wait, but I'm starting to realize you don't have any, you like J-Mac have a lot of ranting and grievances that doesn't actually connect to the incident presented in the opening post.

    Ciao.

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    Re: 10 Arrested in Student Brawl at Proviso East High School

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Still lying about others, as you yourself break the rules eh?....Keep it up missy.....
    Still doing everything you can to not defend your claims I see.
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    Re: 10 Arrested in Student Brawl at Proviso East High School

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    I can't believe this silly topic is still being
    "debated". This is why conservatives are not scientists, because they are BAD at it. You have to prove things with evidence. You have to use solid reasoning and logic, follow strict rules, etc. You can't just make **** up and say "I believe this, I believe that" because it COULD be true.

    I'll let you guys in on a little secret. The question you're asking, whether or not liberalism is the cause of downfall of Chicago, Detroit, etc. is a really big, complex question. To discover whether it is true, with much accuracy or confidence, would take a massive study, involving thousands of variables, arguments. Pages and pages of critical though, analysis, etc.

    Throwing around a couple dumb ass assertions "destruction of the family unit", "welfare did it", is nothing more than a guess you pulled out of your ass because you want to believe it, it means nothing.

    Why not look at cities like Portland, San Francisco, Seattle, the Scandinavian countries? Those areas are heavily influenced by liberal/progressive views, and they are unequivocal successes. Are they just outliers?
    *Gasp*...how " scientific of you. You quoted studies, posted links, offered up objective evidence to support your assertion....

    No, no you didn't. You hypocritically criticized Conservatives for their opinions and than made a few of your own.

    Your a Lib, so I wouldn't expect you to have the intelectual capacity or integrity to see the obvious and post the truth.

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    Re: 10 Arrested in Student Brawl at Proviso East High School

    Quote Originally Posted by babilfish View Post
    Feel free.




    Waiting...



    Welfare creates dependancy?

    This is conjecture, without some kind of study or evidence to support this assertion.



    ...You're right, inner city schools don't ever discuss how poorly they're making out. They won't even acknowledge the problem, what do they expect when they're being so PC!?

    This is conjecture, again. You've not provided evidence of anything.



    This one's an old conservative standard, though it too is usually a lacking argument.

    Luckily for you, people at least actually research and study the trend towards single motherhood, either in support or denouncement. It should be easy for you to find relevant links to studies citing the disadvantages single motherhood imparts on children and inner city families.

    In short, you need more evidence and less opinion.



    Your talking points belong in the late 80s and early 90s. Ascribing to hip hop culture isn't the same as ascribing to gang culture, particularly as the mainstream music genre has moved away from the Gangsta Rap trend of those eras.

    Though I agree that misogyny in hip hop music is a problem, it still isn't the issue we're discussing.

    You've yet to actually cite or reference any specific policies (as I asked for) that display a connection between progressive/liberalism in these cities and the brawl at Proviso East high school. I'd wait, but I'm starting to realize you don't have any, you like J-Mac have a lot of ranting and grievances that doesn't actually connect to the incident presented in the opening post.

    Ciao.
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    How hypocritical of you.

    You countered my " conjecture" with your opinion.

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    Re: 10 Arrested in Student Brawl at Proviso East High School

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    *Gasp*...how " scientific of you. You quoted studies, posted links, offered up objective evidence to support your assertion....

    No, no you didn't. You hypocritically criticized Conservatives for their opinions and than made a few of your own.

    Your a Lib, so I wouldn't expect you to have the intelectual capacity or integrity to see the obvious and post the truth.
    You're a "Con" so you have the intellectual capacity of a drunk tank regular. You really think I'm going to spend all day researching this topic, gathering information, creating documents, creating a presentation... all so that I can bestow it upon the best minds of the DP forum? LoL. The fact that you think I should actually refute this with my own argument shows that you still don't get it. Its way too big a leap. You can't prove something like that on a whim.

    All I did was point out how utterly silly your "so sure" rantings about liberalism destroying Chicago was.

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    Re: 10 Arrested in Student Brawl at Proviso East High School

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    You're a "Con" so you have the intellectual capacity of a drunk tank regular. You really think I'm going to spend all day researching this topic, gathering information, creating documents, creating a presentation... all so that I can bestow it upon the best minds of the DP forum? LoL. The fact that you think I should actually refute this with my own argument shows that you still don't get it. Its way too big a leap. You can't prove something like that on a whim.

    All I did was point out how utterly silly your "so sure" rantings about liberalism destroying Chicago was.

    Oh really ? I promise I'm levels above you intellectually and if you want to stop acting like the typical liberal coward and debate ANYTHING with me, I'll prove it to everyone here.

    But I'm sure you have just a huge list of ideological accomplishments you can credit to your corrupted ideology.

    A corrupt and incompetent President and administration, a long list of lying Democrats and Cabinet officials and appointed criminals like Eric Holder, Hillary Clinton, Franklin Raines, Harry Reid, Sandy Berger, Bill Clinton, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, ...........hell the list is endless.

    You guys actually voted a media creation into office, not a leader, who was not vetted in the least, and who has blown through 6 trillion in new debt, and has little to no net new jobs after nearly 5 years and has his FED appointee currently pumping trillions into our financial markets for the purpose of giving the "impression" of a recovery.

    When in fact 10's of millions of Americans have been added to the food stamp roles, poverty has climbed to 1 in 6, and 1 in 5 among American children, Americans on disability have doubled under your LIBERAL President and the Middle Class has shrunk to record low levels.

    So please explain, why you should be considered anything more than the millions of faceless idiots that voted twice for a empty suite, a President who plays dumb in the face of multiple scandals.

    Americans have been introduced under Liberalism to a new reality called " chronic joblessness" as States, " Liberal Blue Plague States " are toying with the notion of bankruptcy.

    Detroit, another city destroyed by your corrupt ideology just announced it wouldn't be paying it's creditors...

    I'll wait to hear your ridiculous list of " accomplishment" that you can chalk up to your political lean.....

    I'm sure it will be hillarious.
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    Re: 10 Arrested in Student Brawl at Proviso East High School

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Oh really ? I promise I'm levels above you intellectually and if you want to stop acting like the typical liberal coward and debate ANYTHING with me, I'll prove it to everyone here.

    But I'm sure you have just a huge list of ideological accomplishments you can credit to your corrupted ideology.
    There's your first problem, you're an ideological purist. Ideologies are ideas, guides, tools to use to look at an issue through a certain perspective. If you only see things from one point of view you end up with a very limited understanding.

    A corrupt and incompetent President and administration, a long list of lying Democrats and Cabinet officials and appointed criminals like Eric Holder, Hillary Clinton, Franklin Raines, Harry Reid, Sandy Berger, Bill Clinton, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, ...........hell the list is endless.
    I can't take you seriously when you talk like this. This hyperbole of Obama being the worst ever, incompetent, corrupt... that's going way too far. Yes they spun Benghazi because it was an election issue, shame on them. Was this spinning the worst thing ever though? Did it kill anyone? There's no evidence they did anything other than spin it, so just STFU with your expected "HE KILLED 4 PROUD AMERICANS" response.

    I'm going to keep this brief but Bill Clinton and Barney Frank are far from evil. Barney got caught up in the financial crisis and its unclear whether he's a SOB or was guilty by association. From what I've seen of him he tries to do the right thing whenever he can so I give him the benefit of the doubt. Bill just can't keep his pants on, other than that he's a standup guy and has done a tremendous amount of work trying to improve the U.S. and the world as a whole.

    When you call all these people the worst ever it just makes you look bad.

    EDIT: Wanted to add, I think Chris Dodd is a criminal, horrible, corrupt POS.

    You guys actually voted a media creation into office, not a leader, who was not vetted in the least, and who has blown through 6 trillion in new debt, and has little to no net new jobs after nearly 5 years and has his FED appointee currently pumping trillions into our financial markets for the purpose of giving the "impression" of a recovery.

    When in fact 10's of millions of Americans have been added to the food stamp roles, poverty has climbed to 1 in 6, and 1 in 5 among American children, Americans on disability have doubled under your LIBERAL President and the Middle Class has shrunk to record low levels.

    So please explain, why you should be considered anything more than the millions of faceless idiots that voted twice for a empty suite, a President who plays dumb in the face of multiple scandals.

    Americans have been introduced under Liberalism to a new reality called " chronic joblessness" as States, " Liberal Blue Plague States " are toying with the notion of bankruptcy.

    Detroit, another city destroyed by your corrupt ideology just announced it wouldn't be paying it's creditors...

    I'll wait to hear your ridiculous list of " accomplishment" that you can chalk up to your political lean.....

    I'm sure it will be hillarious.
    This is just one big block of insults, name calling and right-wing propaganda. The point I think you're trying to make is that the economy is bad and its all because of liberalism. This is a really long, sad, and pointless argument that I've gone through a million times and I really hate to get into it again, but I'll point out a few fairly obvious things for you to think about.

    If you want to criticize Obama for his failure to right a catastrophe I'm right with you, he hasn't done enough. However if you look at where the economy was when he took office, it was a complete disaster. So going by your own logic that whoever is in office when the economy goes bad... 8 years of Bush ended in financial collapse. So by your own thinking I guess that means conservatism ALSO is destroying the country? I don't believe either, that Bush did it or that Obama is some kind of omnipotent power that can change everything. The crash was 30+ years in the making and all the presidents in that time played a part in it.

    Now if you want to talk about what Obama has done, or hasn't... he's been neutered by the GOP, he didn't put up enough of a fight, maybe he wanted to roll over and play dead, I don't know. Financial reform was reduced to a few joke bills that have been further restricted to even less and will do almost nothing, a shadow of what should have been done. The financial industry is still a rampaging beast that is sucking us dry with absolutely no risk to themselves. After a wimpy 700B stimulus that was mostly just a band-aid, welfare relief to placate the masses and smooth over the depression, we fell back into austerity instead of Keynesian action.

    Obama has governed like an old school center-right Republican which is kind of funny that you blame all this on liberalism which he hasn't done much of.

    You may want to scale back your infatuation with Obama, he's just one talking head, the real power lies with many outside of Washington. Take a look at those that are doing really, really well in this recession. They're the ones that write the financial rules and they also have all the money, hint hint, wink wink.
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