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    Re: 10 Arrested in Student Brawl at Proviso East High School

    Quote Originally Posted by Spaceman_Spiff View Post
    Blogs I do not find credible. If you can find stories of police forces making their numbers rosier, then I will give it a serious look. My guess is this happens on lower levels of crime, but major crimes are harder to hide.

    Well, I am looking. But I did find this interesting.....

    So while your painting your own rosy picture about N. Chicago and trying to base it on wealth disparity, as if that excuses people murdering others, the simple fact is that even in the affluent sections of Chicago, crime is higher.

    This is what I was getting at. There is reason why these types of violent acts happen in predominantly the South and West Sides. Going back to the 'Broken Windows Theory' when you are okay with small crimes that mentality leads to larger crimes happening like what you are seeing now. Until that mentality is broken, then crime will still persist.
    I agree. But the thing is, that once out of control like Chicago is now, you have to get a handle on the major crime so that you have some breathing room. It may take more than progressive income redistribution theory, or public vs. private ed. It may actually take some good old fashioned cracking down.

    You are misconstruing what I said in that last post. I did not mean to insult, though since you interpretted it that way, I apologize for it. After you said you were born in Berwyn I took your word for it.
    Oh, I absolutely was born in Berwyn, IL....I didn't grow up there though....I was adopted by a family in MI, and grew up in Lansing. But, I did have many friends from Chicago, and have been there more than a few times.

    Earlier comments you made it sound like the CPD were not taking adequate steps to fight gang violence in the city. In retrospect I misinterpretted what you said.
    No worries....I don't think any police chief can solve that problem until the clean up the corruption in that city.

    As you know Chicago is one of the most segregated cities in the United States. The city did something similar here when they tore down Cabrini Green and relocated those living there. It did not work as well as everyone was hoping, but it does not sound as bad as what happened in Baltimore.

    I would rather the city look at zoning laws and other laws that help keep the status quo as it is. Over time, the hope would be that with less zoning the city would begin to diversify organically though that is a really long-term outlook.
    The problem with that is that it never does "work out as well as liberals hoped".... Playing the constant victim doesn't leave room for personal choice, or responsibility.

    For a part of my life I lived in various cities in Wisconsin, a state which my Illinois friends call the most southern state in the North. I absolutely love the state. Though from time to time I miss living relatively close to a major city like Chicago.
    Beautiful country up there....MI, and WI, are similar states in terms of what they have to offer, and growing up both areas are really God's pallet....
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    Re: 10 Arrested in Student Brawl at Proviso East High School

    Quote Originally Posted by babilfish View Post
    *Yawn* Typical bull**** conservative argument.
    233 posts, and we all know by this comment that you are not here in DP to debate anything....Thanks for proving it early on....Now we can just ignore your lunacy.
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    Re: 10 Arrested in Student Brawl at Proviso East High School

    Interesting that they both have been under progressive/liberal leadership for ever. Coincidence? I think not.
    When this is what you bring to the table, what is there to debate?

    I mean, c'mon, you don't even have an argument here.

    Just "Well, I think progressives/liberals are responsible. My reasoning? **** you, that's my reasoning."

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    Re: 10 Arrested in Student Brawl at Proviso East High School

    Quote Originally Posted by babilfish View Post
    When this is what you bring to the table, what is there to debate?

    I mean, c'mon, you don't even have an argument here.

    Just "Well, I think progressives/liberals are responsible. My reasoning? **** you, that's my reasoning."
    I don't? Tell me, what have liberal/progressive stranglehold over these cities brought to the people there? Prosperity? Rule of law? Greater education? Greater understanding of those that don't buy into the progressive meme? No, none of that.

    Tell me, why are houses in Detroit and Chicago's inner cities for sale for $1, and still not selling? When you see signs like those outside of Detroit, that basically say "Welcome to Detroit, enter at your own risk." What does that say to you?
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    Re: 10 Arrested in Student Brawl at Proviso East High School

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I don't? Tell me, what have liberal/progressive stranglehold over these cities brought to the people there? Prosperity? Rule of law? Greater education? Greater understanding of those that don't buy into the progressive meme? No, none of that. Tell me, why are houses in Detroit and Chicago's inner cities for sale for $1, and still not selling? When you see signs like those outside of Detroit, that basically say "Welcome to Detroit, enter at your own risk." What does that say to you?
    Now you're just going off on a tangent.

    Do you know what evidence is? Do you know what a proper argument is? Let me clue you in, it's not just making statements without sources backing them up.

    Lets not expand this net. Let's not ask stupid questions like "Why are houses in Detroit and Chicago inner cities for sale for $1, and still not selling." and then assume its because of Progressivism/Liberalism because, hey, I hate those two ideologies.

    Lets try and stick to the topic you presented in the Op. Your own link:

    Students leaving Proviso East High School on their last day of school May 31 were involved in a fight that carried into the streets of Maywood for several hours, police said.
    At least 10 students were arrested, including a girl allegedly using two chef’s knives after being beaten down by other students, and the fight required more than 40 officers from neighboring agencies including Oak Park, Forest Park, Westchester, Bellwood and Broadview, Maywood Police Chief Tim Curry said.
    At times the group was 300 strong, Curry said, with people gathering to watch the disturbance.
    According to the Cook County Sheriff's Office and Maywood Police, the fights occurred across the street from the school and traveled west.
    Proviso Township High Schools, however, said in a statement that the fights occurred nearly a mile from Proviso East High School near the intersection of Ninth Avenue and Madison Street.
    The district also said that witness accounts show that other adults and former students joined in the disturbance.
    "Our school year ended without any incident, and we are very pleased to report that," the district said in a statement. "However, situations do happen in the community that involve our students, and while we are always concerned, it is not something over which we have any jurisdiction nor control."
    Three students were taken to Loyola Medical Center with minor injuries, including one girl who was struck over the eye with a lock, Curry said.
    The fights were recorded on students’ cell phones and posted to YouTube and Facebook.
    Maywood Police reportedly said the fight tied up police for hours and is still under investigation.
    Source: 10 Arrested in Student Brawl Near Proviso East High School | NBC Chicago

    Now, I want you to explain to me what specific progressive/liberal policies were responsible for the incident brought up in your Op.

    I'm not asking a lot out of you. I'm asking you to do the research and come up with a well thought out argument.

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    Re: 10 Arrested in Student Brawl at Proviso East High School

    Quote Originally Posted by babilfish View Post
    Now you're just going off on a tangent.


    Do you know what evidence is? Do you know what a proper argument is? Let me clue you in, it's not just making statements without sources backing them up.

    Lets not expand this net. Let's not ask stupid questions like "Why are houses in Detroit and Chicago inner cities for sale for $1, and still not selling." and then assume its because of Progressivism/Liberalism because, hey, I hate those two ideologies.

    Lets try and stick to the topic you presented in the Op. Your own link:



    Source: 10 Arrested in Student Brawl Near Proviso East High School | NBC Chicago

    Now, I want you to explain to me what specific progressive/liberal policies were responsible for the incident brought up in your Op.

    I'm not asking a lot out of you. I'm asking you to do the research and come up with a well thought out argument.
    Oooh ooh can I explain ??

    Hmmm lets see...

    Welfare laws that enable generational dependence AND single parent homes.

    Political Correctness that stifles honest debate which leads to ZERO being done about the collapse of inner city schools, neighborhoods and cultures.

    Attacks on the conventional Family unit and the empowerment of single mothers as a viable alternative to raising children effectively.

    The legitimization of destructive counter culture sterotypes. That includes the whole " Hip Hop" culture, the gang culture, the mysoginistic music that promotes violence and irresponsible behaviour......hey Obama loves him some Jay-Z....lol what a fu** Country this has become.

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    Re: 10 Arrested in Student Brawl at Proviso East High School

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Oooh ooh can I explain ??

    Hmmm lets see...

    Welfare laws that enable generational dependence AND single parent homes.

    Political Correctness that stifles honest debate which leads to ZERO being done about the collapse of inner city schools, neighborhoods and cultures.

    Attacks on the conventional Family unit and the empowerment of single mothers as a viable alternative to raising children effectively.

    The legitimization of destructive counter culture sterotypes. That includes the whole " Hip Hop" culture, the gang culture, the mysoginistic music that promotes violence and irresponsible behaviour......hey Obama loves him some Jay-Z....lol what a fu** Country this has become.
    Exactly, but Babilfish doesn't want an honest discussion, or look at progressive policies that lead to this degradation of society, instead trying wildly to control the parameters of what others are "allowed" to introduce into the discussion. This is what progressives do, is always try to control the narrative, and language thereby allowing them to dismiss anything that, although true, doesn't fit their "acceptable" yet false narratives.
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    Re: 10 Arrested in Student Brawl at Proviso East High School

    I can't believe this silly topic is still being "debated". This is why conservatives are not scientists, because they are BAD at it. You have to prove things with evidence. You have to use solid reasoning and logic, follow strict rules, etc. You can't just make **** up and say "I believe this, I believe that" because it COULD be true.

    I'll let you guys in on a little secret. The question you're asking, whether or not liberalism is the cause of downfall of Chicago, Detroit, etc. is a really big, complex question. To discover whether it is true, with much accuracy or confidence, would take a massive study, involving thousands of variables, arguments. Pages and pages of critical though, analysis, etc.

    Throwing around a couple dumb ass assertions "destruction of the family unit", "welfare did it", is nothing more than a guess you pulled out of your ass because you want to believe it, it means nothing.

    Why not look at cities like Portland, San Francisco, Seattle, the Scandinavian countries? Those areas are heavily influenced by liberal/progressive views, and they are unequivocal successes. Are they just outliers?

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    Re: 10 Arrested in Student Brawl at Proviso East High School

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I don't? Tell me, what have liberal/progressive stranglehold over these cities brought to the people there? Prosperity? Rule of law? Greater education? Greater understanding of those that don't buy into the progressive meme? No, none of that.

    Tell me, why are houses in Detroit and Chicago's inner cities for sale for $1, and still not selling? When you see signs like those outside of Detroit, that basically say "Welcome to Detroit, enter at your own risk." What does that say to you?
    So if San Diego was run by Republicans for years, and if it went bankrupt (it did) it proves that conservatism leads cities to bankruptcy. Gotcha.

    Of course, your "argument" is even more ridiculous because one of the reasons Democrats get elected in big cities (they tend to) is because big cities have big problems, like crime, and people rightfully don't trust Republicans to solve those problems. So your "argument" is analogous to saying that doctors must cause heart attacks because a lot of people with heart attacks are treated by doctors.

    Total and complete tea party lunacy.

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    Re: 10 Arrested in Student Brawl at Proviso East High School

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    So if San Diego was run by Republicans for years, and if it went bankrupt (it did) it proves that conservatism leads cities to bankruptcy. Gotcha.
    San Diego - the "Detroit" of Southern California.

    Riiigghhhtt....

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