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    Re: 10 Arrested in Student Brawl at Proviso East High School

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Hey look kids, a tea party eructation.

    Pssst: we spend money on NCLB, a model that doesn't work.

    Now back to your regular scheduled rightwing meme.
    the progressive solution to everything

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    disruptive kids who prevent other kids from learning

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    Re: 10 Arrested in Student Brawl at Proviso East High School

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Disruptive students are real issue, as any teacher will tell you. But you've missed the point entirely. The reason trouble makers can't be put in a special education class (which they need as do the classes they are disrupting), is money, pure and simple. It costs money to give 'trouble makers' (who often have cognitive difficulties or social problems relating to their homelife) the attention they need in separate classes, allowing regular classes not be disrupted. It all comes down to money.

    Private schools just expel kids that disrupt classes. They don't give a damn. Public education doesn't have that option. The solution is not blaming anybody --it's spending more money on it and hiring special ed teachers for special ed classes for disruptive students.
    Good for the private schools. At least their kids get an education -- and 40% or more of them don't end up functionally illiterate. If yours is the latest excuse for failure and quest for ever-more dollars, I'm unimpressed. Unless you're saying that poor neighborhoods have more need for special education than the population at large...which I personally don't buy for a New York Minute.
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    Re: 10 Arrested in Student Brawl at Proviso East High School

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I know this is hard but asking you to show evidence of your premise in the OP is not defending anything. The fact you cannot is your failing, and pointing to others is not going to change it from being your failing.
    In case you haven't noticed evidence, and discussion has proceeded without your nonsense....Night now.
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    Re: 10 Arrested in Student Brawl at Proviso East High School

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    I don't know about those "cultural norms". I think if studied they would be more a matter of confirmation bias ("look at the black lady with 5 kids on food stamps!") or more likely the "norms" that result from being poor in America and having to hustle around just to survive, much less educate your kids.
    Statistically, there are measurable differences between African Americans, whites, Asians and Latinos. There are even measurable differences within the black community, african immigrants, and a further breakdown of where those African immigrants hail from. For example, Nigerians and Kenyans form some of the best performing immigrants groups in both education and earnings

    African americans on the ther hand have a high incident of single mothers, crime, stds, and various other issues.


    Also, I really wish I could find the link, but an interview with a researcher on the news hour, some years ago, was discussing the achievement gap in general education between african americans and whites. The point of interest was various studies measuring the gap in relation to things like income, and pointed out that even when correcting for education and earnings, white students still significantly out performed their african american counter parts. And that we only see a leveling of this when we look at African american children adopted into white families.

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    Re: 10 Arrested in Student Brawl at Proviso East High School

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Bull****, we spend more money per student than anyone. Typical progressive meme is always spend more money, results are irrelevant. Spend money, it make you feel better about yourself....it shows you care.
    that spending can be rather disproportionate due to how it's based on property taxes. Take for example my High school: had leaky roofs, hardly any comps, a ****ty library, generally poor infrastructure, lack of funding for sports teams and special programs, etc.

    In contrast, the school I lived next to a few years ago was lending out $2400 digital cameras to students in the photography clud

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    Re: 10 Arrested in Student Brawl at Proviso East High School

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    None to this extent. It is one thing to say that large urban areas have problems, quite another to try and deflect the constant barrage of reports of a city that has been absolutely ruined by progressive corruption, and stupid policy.
    If your hypothesis is that liberal policies lead to reports of violence like this, then why is the North Side of Chicago one of the safest and richest cities in the United States? If you knew anything about Chicago, this should be easy to answer.

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    "During the 1990s, crime rates in New York City dropped dramatically, even more than in the United States as a whole. Violent crime declined by more than 56 percent in the City, compared to about 28 percent in the nation as whole. Property crimes tumbled by about 65 percent, but fell only 26 percent nationally.

    Many attribute New York's crime reduction to specific "get-tough" policies carried out by former Mayor Rudolph Giuliani's administration. The most prominent of his policy changes was the aggressive policing of lower-level crimes, a policy which has been dubbed the "broken windows" approach to law enforcement. In this view, small disorders lead to larger ones and perhaps even to crime. As Mr. Guiliani told the press in 1998, "Obviously murder and graffiti are two vastly different crimes. But they are part of the same continuum, and a climate that tolerates one is more likely to tolerate the other."

    What Reduced Crime in New York City

    What I like to call "coddle policy" like Midnight basketball, and moving kids through a broken education system where teachers are risking their very lives going to work because the thugs have taken over the schools, as opposed to taking real action like increasing the police presence, and effecting real arrests of identified gang bangers, and trouble instigators is what drives this very real sense that the lawless 'run the city'....


    "Corman and Mocan identify several factors that could affect crime rates. For example, the police force in New York City grew by 35 percent in the 1990s, the numbers of prison inmates rose 24 percent, and there were demographic changes, including a decline in the number of youths."

    What Reduced Crime in New York City
    Given the links you posted, then you must really love the reforms Garry McCarthy has taken at tackling the areas where crime is the highest since it is the epitome of James Q. Wilson's 'Broken Windows Theory.' Results so far this year are good, though it is questionable if the gains will maintain for the remaining part of the year.

    There has also been lengthy debates among sociologists about why Chicago did not see similar large drops in crimes like other major cities during the 1990s that stem from the demographics of city neighborhoods. I am sure you know all about those.

    I do it find funny that you call Chicago a blight when you live in an economic backwater like South Carolina.

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    Re: 10 Arrested in Student Brawl at Proviso East High School

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Hey look kids, a tea party eructation.

    Pssst: we spend money on NCLB, a model that doesn't work.

    Now back to your regular scheduled rightwing meme.
    H.R. 1 (107th): No Child Left Behind Act of 2001 (On the Conference Report) -- GovTrack.us

    More Dems than Reps in the House voted for it smart guy. Now back to your meme. It had huge bipartisan support. Pssst, you lose.
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    Re: 10 Arrested in Student Brawl at Proviso East High School

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    that spending can be rather disproportionate due to how it's based on property taxes. Take for example my High school: had leaky roofs, hardly any comps, a ****ty library, generally poor infrastructure, lack of funding for sports teams and special programs, etc.

    In contrast, the school I lived next to a few years ago was lending out $2400 digital cameras to students in the photography clud
    You need to follow the context of the discussion, I was responding to someone.
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    Re: 10 Arrested in Student Brawl at Proviso East High School

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the progressive solution to everything

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    cannon fodder or ditch diggers
    It pretty much works out that way, the stupid dig ditches.
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    Re: 10 Arrested in Student Brawl at Proviso East High School

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You need to follow the context of the discussion, I was responding to someone.
    Ok? But you clearly wrote "we spend more money per student than anyone". And while that may be true, it is also true that spending isn't equal across the board.

    Not sure what you are taking issue with there, if you don't disagree.

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