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    Native American student denied diploma for wearing tribal feather

    This is bizarre and I think will cost this school a lot of money
    Native American student denied diploma for wearing tribal feather

    Chelsey Ramer, a Native American student, is being denied her high school diploma until she pays a $1,000 fine for wearing a tribal feather on her cap during her graduation from Escambia Academy High School in Atmore, Alabama.

    The 17-year-old is a member of the Poarch Band of Creek Indians and wore the eagle feather to celebrate her heritage in defiance of the school's "no extraneous items" policy.

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    Alex Alvarez, who is Creek, a former teacher of Ramer’s said parents and tribal council members had requested to speak with the school board to discuss the eagle feather but were denied. He wrote about the issue in his local newspaper, but the school did not change its position.
    The actions of the school board could be seen as not only racist but also religious discrimination.
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    Re: Native American student denied diploma for wearing tribal feather

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    The actions of the school board could be seen as not only racist but also religious discrimination.
    Some people might see it that way but I think they would be wrong. She wasn’t singled out. It is a blanket rule against extraneous apparel and they weren’t making exceptions.

    That said, the school should dismiss the fine and give her the diploma. According to the article, though, she never signed the agreement that was passed around promising not to wear such items. If that is true, the school is on weak ground.

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    Re: Native American student denied diploma for wearing tribal feather

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    This is bizarre and I think will cost this school a lot of money


    The actions of the school board could be seen as not only racist but also religious discrimination.
    I don't think so. I don't necessarily agree with the policy of the school, but it was a broad rule that didn't single her or other Native Americans out. I don't think is a racist or religiously discriminatory policy.
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    Re: Native American student denied diploma for wearing tribal feather

    Unless her religion forces her to wear a feather I don't see how it's discrimination especially if she isn't being singled out. It's also not racist.

    Although I don't see how they can force her to pay a $1000 fine over the ordeal. That's what troubles me.

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    Re: Native American student denied diploma for wearing tribal feather

    Hmmm so graduating isn't "a feather in your cap?"


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    Re: Native American student denied diploma for wearing tribal feather

    I was unaware that the Poarch Creek had a tribal feather.

    Since the 1960's so many AMA types have adopted or stolen customs and cultures from other tribes and called them theirs.

    I always get a laugh when I drive by the San Manuel Indian Casino. The San Manuel Indians are Serrano Indians considered to be mission Indians in Southern California. They were not warriors or hunters but gathers. They were egg corn eaters.

    But this tribe borrowed from the plains Indians probably Comanche or some other southern plains tribe the war shield which no California Indians never carried. The war shield was never part of the Serrano Indians.
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    Re: Native American student denied diploma for wearing tribal feather

    She's part of the people that must be assimilated, so why allow her to do something this significant? If she were a hillbilly valedictorian trying to push through his bible thumper views on everyone else, a southern state would probably have no issue with this.
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    Re: Native American student denied diploma for wearing tribal feather

    The headmaster was dismissed after the incident and the school board is aware that something wrong has been done to the Native American student. The former headmaster possibly violated the American Indian Religious Freedom Act which protects the traditional religious rights such as the use and possession of objects considered sacred. Wearing a tribal feather in a graduation ceremony is within the scope of this legislation and the student should be given the diploma without paying the fine.


    Betty Warren has resigned as headmaster at Escambia Academy (EA) and rumors about the reason for her resignation have made it all the way into the national press. In what one insider connected with the resignation called “irresponsible reporting,” various media outlets have attempted to paint the situation at EA as stemming from situation with a Poarch student, Chelsey Ramer, wearing an eagle feather at graduation against school policy. New Escambia Academy board chairman Ben Smith went on record as saying, “The incident with the feather had absolutely nothing to do with Warren’s resignation. The policy regarding what could and could not be worn in the graduation ceremony was in place and all the students were aware of it. It was the decision of the student to violate the policy.” The reasons that the board and Warren decided to part ways have not yet been made public, but the supposition that somehow a policy determined by the board and enforced by Warren should be the reason defies logic.
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    Re: Native American student denied diploma for wearing tribal feather

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    This is bizarre and I think will cost this school a lot of money

    Native American student denied diploma for wearing tribal feather

    Chelsey Ramer, a Native American student, is being denied her high school diploma until she pays a $1,000 fine for wearing a tribal feather on her cap during her graduation from Escambia Academy High School in Atmore, Alabama.

    The 17-year-old is a member of the Poarch Band of Creek Indians and wore the eagle feather to celebrate her heritage in defiance of the school's "no extraneous items" policy.

    <snip>

    Alex Alvarez, who is Creek, a former teacher of Ramer’s said parents and tribal council members had requested to speak with the school board to discuss the eagle feather but were denied. He wrote about the issue in his local newspaper, but the school did not change its position.

    The actions of the school board could be seen as not only racist but also religious discrimination.
    No, not racist nor religiously discriminatory. Just dumb and small-minded, and very likely criminal. As has been pointed out, this was over a general “‘no extraneous items’ policy” that did not single anyone or anything out on any basis of race or religion.

    A diploma is not about conforming to some silly set of arbitrary rules pertaining to the graduation ceremony; it is about the academic achievement leading up to that ceremony. Ms. Ramer apparently met these achievements, and rightfully earned her diploma, before the ceremony even took place; and I can see no justification for her to be denied this diploma on the basis of events that occurred after she had rightfully earned it. Further, I think the attempt to coerce her into paying a “fine” of $1,000 before she may receive what is already rightfully hers amounts to fraud and/or extortion. In fact, I believe the $1,000 figure is right about the boundary that might make this crime a felony rather than a misdemeanor.
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    Re: Native American student denied diploma for wearing tribal feather

    I see this as a student deliberately breaking school policy, the same as the valedictorian broke school policy by reciting an unapproved religious prayer.

    The religious kid, however, did not get fined or have his diploma withheld. Although I have no problem with the school disciplining her, $1,000 and withholding her diploma is definitely overkill against this Native American student for her feather.

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