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U.S. intelligence mining data from nine U.S. Internet companies

biased source

LOL!

NSA Prism program taps in to user data of Apple, Google and others | World news | The Guardian

Although the presentation claims the program is run with the assistance of the companies, all those who responded to a Guardian request for comment on Thursday denied knowledge of any such program.

Several senior tech executives insisted that they had no knowledge of Prism or of any similar scheme. They said they would never have been involved in such a program. "If they are doing this, they are doing it without our knowledge," one said.

An Apple spokesman said it had "never heard" of Prism.

Companies are legally obliged to comply with requests for users' communications under US law, but the Prism program allows the intelligence services direct access to the companies' servers.

When the FAA was first enacted, defenders of the statute argued that a significant check on abuse would be the NSA's inability to obtain electronic communications without the consent of the telecom and internet companies that control the data. But the Prism program renders that consent unnecessary, as it allows the agency to directly and unilaterally seize the communications off the companies' servers.

The Prism program allows the NSA, the world's largest surveillance organisation, to obtain targeted communications without having to request them from the service providers and without having to obtain individual court orders.

With this program, the NSA is able to reach directly into the servers of the participating companies and obtain both stored communications as well as perform real-time collection on targeted users.

When the law was enacted, defenders of the FAA argued that a significant check on abuse would be the NSA's inability to obtain electronic communications without the consent of the telecom and internet companies that control the data. But the Prism program renders that consent unnecessary, as it allows the agency to directly and unilaterally seize the communications off the companies' servers.

what an idiot

obama, i mean
 
Exactly. Everyone let fear dominate their rationality and excused gross expansion of government. This is the natural conclusion of that gross expansion. Duh!

I'm sure I've been on a list since I bought a Guy Fawkes mask on Amazon, my posts here certainly don't help and any hope of not being on a list flew out the window when I started buying firearms.

why should he? Its legal and according to both the right and left under Bush and now under Obama... it is effective.

Listen I dont like it one bit, since it is non-American's that get hit the hardest by US policies... but we have grown to expect this behavior from the resident bully regardless who is in power. You elected your politicians who put these laws in place so deal with it.

Only way to get rid of this... get rid of the Patriot act and similar laws.. what are the chances of this?

I'd say low single digit percentage chance of our government every giving up that kind of power and going back to asking judges for warrants, too many sheep have gotten used to the expectation of zero privacy; they laugh at outrage.
 
wapo is certainly biased...

but...

LOL!

U.S., British intelligence mining data from nine U.S. Internet companies in broad secret program - The Washington Post

The National Security Agency and the FBI are tapping directly into the central servers of nine leading U.S. Internet companies, extracting audio and video chats, photographs, e-mails, documents, and connection logs that enable analysts to track foreign targets, according to a top-secret document obtained by The Washington Post.

The program, code-named PRISM, has not been made public until now. It may be the first of its kind. The NSA prides itself on stealing secrets and breaking codes, and it is accustomed to corporate partnerships that help it divert data traffic or sidestep barriers. But there has never been a Google or Facebook before, and it is unlikely that there are richer troves of valuable intelligence than the ones in Silicon Valley.

Equally unusual is the way the NSA extracts what it wants, according to the document: “Collection directly from the servers of these U.S. Service Providers: Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, Facebook, PalTalk, AOL, Skype, YouTube, Apple.”

London’s Guardian newspaper reported Friday that GCHQ, Britain’s equivalent of the NSA, also has been secretly gathering intelligence from the same internet companies through an operation set up by the NSA.

According to documents obtained by The Guardian, PRISM would appear to allow GCHQ to circumvent the formal legal process required in Britain to seek personal material such as emails, photos and videos from an internet company based outside of the country.

Late last year, when critics in Congress sought changes in the FISA Amendments Act, the only lawmakers who knew about PRISM were bound by oaths of office to hold their tongues.

Several companies contacted by The Post said they had no knowledge of the program, did not allow direct government access to their servers and asserted that they responded only to targeted requests for information.

We do not provide any government organization with direct access to Facebook servers,” said Joe Sullivan, chief security officer for Facebook. “When Facebook is asked for data or information about specific individuals, we carefully scrutinize any such request for compliance with all applicable laws, and provide information only to the extent required by law.”

We have never heard of PRISM,” said Steve Dowling, a spokesman for Apple. “We do not provide any government agency with direct access to our servers, and any government agency requesting customer data must get a court order.”

In another classified report obtained by The Post, the arrangement is described as allowing “collection managers [to send] content tasking instructions directly to equipment installed at company-controlled locations,” rather than directly to company servers.

Government officials and the document itself made clear that the NSA regarded the identities of its private partners as PRISM’s most sensitive secret, fearing that the companies would withdraw from the program if exposed. “98 percent of PRISM production is based on Yahoo, Google and Microsoft; we need to make sure we don’t harm these sources,” the briefing’s author wrote in his speaker’s notes.

the most transparent president of all time is also hands on, busy busy:

An internal presentation of 41 briefing slides on PRISM, dated April 2013 and intended for senior analysts in the NSA’s Signals Intelligence Directorate, described the new tool as the most prolific contributor to the President’s Daily Brief, which cited PRISM data in 1,477 items last year. According to the slides and other supporting materials obtained by The Post, “NSA reporting increasingly relies on PRISM” as its leading source of raw material, accounting for nearly 1 in 7 intelligence reports.

That is a remarkable figure in an agency that measures annual intake in the trillions of communications. It is all the more striking because the NSA, whose lawful mission is foreign intelligence, is reaching deep inside the machinery of American companies that host hundreds of millions of American-held accounts on American soil.

Sens. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) and Mark Udall (D-Colo.), who had classified knowledge of the program as members of the Senate Intelligence Committee, were unable to speak of it when they warned in a Dec. 27, 2012, floor debate that the FISA Amendments Act had what both of them called a “back-door search loophole” for the content of innocent Americans who were swept up in a search for someone else.

“As it is written, there is nothing to prohibit the intelligence community from searching through a pile of communications, which may have been incidentally or accidentally collected without a warrant, to deliberately search for the phone calls or e-mails of specific Americans,” Udall said.

irony:

Wyden repeatedly asked the NSA to estimate the number of Americans whose communications had been incidentally collected, and the agency’s director, Lt. Gen. Keith B. Alexander, insisted there was no way to find out. Eventually Inspector General I. Charles McCullough III wrote Wyden a letter stating that it would violate the privacy of Americans in NSA data banks to try to estimate their number.

exponential growth?

well, that's news:

But the PRISM program appears to more nearly resemble the most controversial of the warrantless surveillance orders issued by President George W. Bush after the al-Qaeda attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. Its history, in which President Obama presided over exponential growth in a program that candidate Obama criticized, shows how fundamentally surveillance law and practice have shifted away from individual suspicion in favor of systematic, mass collection techniques.

nothing to worry about:

Analysts who use the system from a Web portal at Fort Meade, Md., key in “selectors,” or search terms, that are designed to produce at least 51 percent confidence in a target’s “foreignness.” That is not a very stringent test. Training materials obtained by The Post instruct new analysts to make quarterly reports of any accidental collection of U.S. content,but add that “it’s nothing to worry about.”

Even when the system works just as advertised, with no American singled out for targeting, the NSA routinely collects a great deal of American content. That is described as “incidental,” and it is inherent in contact chaining, one of the basic tools of the trade. To collect on a suspected spy or foreign terrorist means, at minimum, that everyone in the suspect’s inbox or outbox is swept in. Intelligence analysts are typically taught to chain through contacts two “hops” out from their target, which increases “incidental collection” exponentially.

In exchange for immunity from lawsuits, companies such as Yahoo and AOL are obliged to accept a “directive” from the attorney general and the director of national intelligence to open their servers to the FBI’s Data Intercept Technology Unit, which handles liaison to U.S. companies from the NSA.

Google, like the other companies, denied that it permitted direct government access to its servers.

“Google cares deeply about the security of our users’ data,” a company spokesman said. “We disclose user data to government in accordance with the law, and we review all such requests carefully. From time to time, people allege that we have created a government ‘back door’ into our systems, but Google does not have a ‘back door’ for the government to access private user data.”

Microsoft also provided a statement: “We provide customer data only when we receive a legally binding order or subpoena to do so, and never on a voluntary basis. In addition we only ever comply with orders for requests about specific accounts or identifiers. If the government has a broader voluntary national security program to gather customer data we don’t participate in it.”

Yahoo also issued a denial.

“Yahoo! takes users’ privacy very seriously,” the company said in a statement. “We do not provide the government with direct access to our servers, systems, or network.”

Like market researchers, but with far more privileged access, collection managers in the NSA’s Special Source Operations group, which oversees the PRISM program, are drawn to the wealth of information about their subjects in online accounts. For much the same reason, civil libertarians and some ordinary users may be troubled by the menu available to analysts who hold the required clearances to “task” the PRISM system.

There has been “continued exponential growth in tasking to Facebook and Skype,” according to the PRISM slides. With a few clicks and an affirmation that the subject is believed to be engaged in terrorism, espionage or nuclear proliferation, an analyst obtains full access to Facebook’s “extensive search and surveillance capabilities against the variety of online social networking services.”

According to a separate “User’s Guide for PRISM Skype Collection,” that service can be monitored for audio when one end of the call is a conventional telephone and for any combination of “audio, video, chat, and file transfers” when Skype users connect by computer alone. Google’s offerings include Gmail, voice and video chat, Google Drive files, photo libraries, and live surveillance of search terms.

Firsthand experience with these systems, and horror at their capabilities, is what drove a career intelligence officer to provide PowerPoint slides about PRISM and supporting materials to The Washington Post in order to expose what he believes to be a gross intrusion on privacy. “They quite literally can watch your ideas form as you type,” the officer said.

woe to the wingnuts at wapo

the most transparent president in the history of all mankind says he's checked by congressional oversight

except merkley and durbin (most prominently) say members have never heard of prism

Lawmakers rebut Obama's data defense - Reid J. Epstein - POLITICO.com

top secret, y'know

the transparency poobah looks to limits from the judiciary

except his administration proudly asserts privilege

US government invokes special privilege to stop scrutiny of data mining | World news | guardian.co.uk

making, according to the aclu, "a mockery of judicial oversight"

surprised?
 
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I'm sure I've been on a list since I bought a Guy Fawkes mask on Amazon, my posts here certainly don't help and any hope of not being on a list flew out the window when I started buying firearms.



I'd say low single digit percentage chance of our government every giving up that kind of power and going back to asking judges for warrants, too many sheep have gotten used to the expectation of zero privacy; they laugh at outrage.

Good afternoon, Lachean. :2wave:

I wonder how the sheeple explain their lack of expectation of privacy? In which areas might they make exceptions?

Early man had separate areas for women in childbirth, as an example. Basic bathroom functions were also at least gender private. Orwell's 1984 may be interesting to those who feel the need to control others, but most people do expect privacy in their lives, especially in their home. I agree that people shouldn't expect much privacy when out in public. :shock:
 
Good afternoon, Lachean. :2wave:

I wonder how the sheeple explain their lack of expectation of privacy? In which areas might they make exceptions?

Early man had separate areas for women in childbirth, as an example. Basic bathroom functions were also at least gender private. Orwell's 1984 may be interesting to those who feel the need to control others, but most people do expect privacy in their lives, especially in their home. I agree that people shouldn't expect much privacy when out in public. :shock:

Good afternoon!

I'm watching Bill Maher right now and they're discussing it. His explanations so far have been that any expectation of privacy or even rights is unrealistic... and contrary to what libertarianism is left in him his concern for the existence of nukes makes him question the foresight of the founding fathers.

In public I don't have any expectation of privacy, in my home or phone or e-mails I don't consider the expectation unreasonable.
 
why should he? Its legal and according to both the right and left under Bush and now under Obama... it is effective.

Listen I dont like it one bit, since it is non-American's that get hit the hardest by US policies... but we have grown to expect this behavior from the resident bully regardless who is in power. You elected your politicians who put these laws in place so deal with it.

Only way to get rid of this... get rid of the Patriot act and similar laws.. what are the chances of this?

It is legal according to whom? The government? There is nothing in the patriot act that provides for the wholsale gathering of personal phone call information without a warrant. It was meant to be used to monitor the phone calls of suspected terrorists with one party of the phone call located in another country. Now that it is being abused, it is probably time for congress to repeal the act.
 
The point is, all blame is going on Obama .. which is beyond pathetic. It might be a stupid policy, but a GOP President started it, and a Democratic congress with Republican members have approved the damn thing every 3 months since 2006.

Explain to me why Obama and his administration are being blamed for using the tools at their disposal? Why is there zero blame on Congress let alone the GOP members who not only voted for it, but freaking advocated such **** under the last President, where people on the right DEFENDED such bull**** over and over again...

Sorry but this utter hypocrisy and passing the hot potato and ignoring past sins, not to mention being totally gullible in believing this was not happening... talk about living in a fantasy bubble world.
Because apparently in any other world but the world the you and Pres Obama live in, the guy that's holding the hot potato is held accountable. In your guys world, it only matter who started things, not who currently presides over them and continues them. I don't care if Pres Bush started it. What's done is done. All I care about is the fact that Pres Obama continues it. And so should you.
 
Because apparently in any other world but the world the you and Pres Obama live in, the guy that's holding the hot potato is held accountable. In your guys world, it only matter who started things, not who currently presides over them and continues them. I don't care if Pres Bush started it. What's done is done. All I care about is the fact that Pres Obama continues it. And so should you.

Or maybe you didn't care about under Bush...........................
 
Or maybe you didn't care about under Bush...........................
Or maybe you should read a few posts back and see what I originally said about Bush........
 
Covertly surveilling the private communications of American citizens in the name of "safety"....

while simultaneously pursuing an open borders/amnesty agenda......to the point of SUING any states that would attempt to secure the safety of their residents and American sovereignty through the enforcement of federal immigration law....

is easily among the most disgusting bits of duplicity I have ever seen....
it is also more than ample evidence that "safety" is not this administration's top priority......data collection is.

and after the trust crushing IRS scandal, auditing of opposing political donors, and efforts to intimidate the press, it is personal data that should not ever be willingly or quietly relinquished.

rise up.... or present your wrists to their shackles. sheep.
 
Because apparently in any other world but the world the you and Pres Obama live in, the guy that's holding the hot potato is held accountable. In your guys world, it only matter who started things, not who currently presides over them and continues them. I don't care if Pres Bush started it. What's done is done. All I care about is the fact that Pres Obama continues it. And so should you.

No the fact is Obama uses the law, put in place by congress. It is congress that continues it.. without that approval the whole thing cant run.
 
It is legal according to whom? The government? There is nothing in the patriot act that provides for the wholsale gathering of personal phone call information without a warrant.

There is a warrant...

It was meant to be used to monitor the phone calls of suspected terrorists with one party of the phone call located in another country. Now that it is being abused, it is probably time for congress to repeal the act.

And that is how it is being used. And congress have known about this for a very long time and every 3 months have re-approved the whole thing... and you expect them to repeal the act? Not gonna happen.

And for the record, I have long been against the way the US conducts its intelligence gathering because it effects everyone overseas .. but now it also effects US citizens... and payback is a bitch no?
 
There is a warrant...



And that is how it is being used. And congress have known about this for a very long time and every 3 months have re-approved the whole thing... and you expect them to repeal the act? Not gonna happen.

And for the record, I have long been against the way the US conducts its intelligence gathering because it effects everyone overseas .. but now it also effects US citizens... and payback is a bitch no?

Just goes to show you that you can't trust judges either. It is a very bad law.
 
Just goes to show you that you can't trust judges either. It is a very bad law.

Judges are only as trustworthy as the system they serve. The problem is not the judges, but the system that is corrupted by power and money.
 
The problem is not the judges, but the system that is corrupted by power

and bullying

"though classified information was shown to judges in camera, the citing of the precedent in the name of national security cowed judges into submission"

the guardian above
 
Judges are only as trustworthy as the system they serve. The problem is not the judges, but the system that is corrupted by power and money.

I don't understand: trying to prevent attacks means a system is corrupted by power and money? I mean, I guess so, if the power and money have an interest in preventing attacks (which they do), but it's a very odd way to phrase it.
 
I am mildly amused by the number of liberal legislators that opposed such actions during the Bush administration, yet label it justified for Obama.
 
I don't understand: trying to prevent attacks means a system is corrupted by power and money? I mean, I guess so, if the power and money have an interest in preventing attacks (which they do), but it's a very odd way to phrase it.

Nice attempt to twist my words... /clap.

Wanting to prevent attacks does not mean that the law should be twisted and warped and "helped along" by friendly judges.

And the accusation was that some judges were friendly to the administration and hence allowed this despite it not being the honor of the law or whatever it is called in English.

The bottom line, this only was made possible because of a system in panic and paranoia after the 9/11 attacks and that this paranoia continues today since Congress approves it every 3 or so months... without much of a public hearing. Blaming the government for using the legal tools at its disposal is just... pathetic. Now had they actually done a Richard Nixon and done something illegal... then there would be a case of attack... but they have not.
 
Nice attempt to twist my words... /clap.

You said the system was corrupted by money and power, did you not? The system is trying to prevent attacks. I didn't need to twist anything...

The bottom line, this only was made possible because of a system in panic and paranoia after the 9/11 attacks and that this paranoia continues today since Congress approves it every 3 or so months... without much of a public hearing.

Should there be a referendum on it? I'm reminded of the failure of collective security in the 1930s, writ small: collective security internationally fails because not everyone feels as threatened by certain things and thus doesn't respond equally. Likewise, of course, the average person doesn't feel much responsibility for preventing attacks; they assume someone else will do that for them. That's why that "someone else" should be involved in the decision making regarding that stuff, not the average person.

Blaming the government for using the legal tools at its disposal is just... pathetic. Now had they actually done a Richard Nixon and done something illegal... then there would be a case of attack... but they have not.

I agree with you, actually.
 
Congress approves it every 3 or so months... without much of a public hearing.

Lawmakers rebut Obama's data defense - Reid J. Epstein - POLITICO.com

if you linked it would force you to know what you're talking about
Uhh...
Just got this statement from the chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, Mike Rogers, and the ranking Democrat, Dutch Ruppersberger. They contend that the NSA's collection programs are legal because Congress knows about them and the courts sanction them, and that they're necessary.
Congress' intel heads endorse NSA program - The Week

The sweeping order, issued by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, requires Verizon to give the NSA metadata on all calls within the U.S. and between the U.S. and foreign countries on an “ongoing, daily basis” for three months.
Report: NSA Was Granted Order to Snag Millions of Verizon Call Records for 3 Months | Threat Level | Wired.com

The National Security Agency has been secretly collecting the phone call records of tens of millions of Americans, using data provided by AT&T, Verizon and BellSouth, people with direct knowledge of the arrangement told USA TODAY.
The NSA program reaches into homes and businesses across the nation by amassing information about the calls of ordinary Americans — most of whom aren't suspected of any crime. This program does not involve the NSA listening to or recording conversations. But the spy agency is using the data to analyze calling patterns in an effort to detect terrorist activity, sources said in separate interviews.
Source from 2006: USATODAY.com - NSA has massive database of Americans' phone calls


If you cared to link without your obvious bias, it would force you to know what you're talking about.
 
LOL!

obama: "violation of the basic civil liberties of the american people," "abuse of power"

us intelligence official (quoted by isikoff): "unreasonable under the 4th amendment"

odni: "circumvented the spirit of the law"

fisa court: "reached the same conclusion"

Barack Obama Statement on FISA | Firedoglake

Officials: NSA intercepted emails, phone calls of innocent Americans - NBC



In response to a question after his speech, Obama defended the programs as essential to combating terrorist threats. "They may identify potential leads with respect to folks who might engage in terrorism," he said.

He also argued that some have overstated the impact of the programs. "Some of the hype we've been hearing over the past day or so -- nobody has listened to the content of people's phone calls," he said.

"I welcome this debate and I think it's healthy for our democracy," he continued. "I think it's a sign of maturity, because probably five years ago, six years ago, we might not have been having this debate."

Obama portrayed the programs as a trade-off between security and civil liberties. "I think it's important to recognize that you can't have 100 percent security, and also then have 100 percent privacy and zero inconvenience. We're going to have to make some choices as a society," he said.


[url]http://thehill.com/video/administration/304165-obama-defends-nsa-programs-as-striking-right-balance#ixzz2VjOl5Kj9



Is this what we're going to do, cherry pick selected parts of articles and randomly select quotes which support our side? Do you have anything of any value to contribute to this discussion, beside your obvious bias?
 
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