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    Re: U.S. intelligence mining data from nine U.S. Internet companies

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Good afternoon, Lachean.

    I wonder how the sheeple explain their lack of expectation of privacy? In which areas might they make exceptions?

    Early man had separate areas for women in childbirth, as an example. Basic bathroom functions were also at least gender private. Orwell's 1984 may be interesting to those who feel the need to control others, but most people do expect privacy in their lives, especially in their home. I agree that people shouldn't expect much privacy when out in public.
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    I'm watching Bill Maher right now and they're discussing it. His explanations so far have been that any expectation of privacy or even rights is unrealistic... and contrary to what libertarianism is left in him his concern for the existence of nukes makes him question the foresight of the founding fathers.

    In public I don't have any expectation of privacy, in my home or phone or e-mails I don't consider the expectation unreasonable.
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    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: U.S. intelligence mining data from nine U.S. Internet companies

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    why should he? Its legal and according to both the right and left under Bush and now under Obama... it is effective.

    Listen I dont like it one bit, since it is non-American's that get hit the hardest by US policies... but we have grown to expect this behavior from the resident bully regardless who is in power. You elected your politicians who put these laws in place so deal with it.

    Only way to get rid of this... get rid of the Patriot act and similar laws.. what are the chances of this?
    It is legal according to whom? The government? There is nothing in the patriot act that provides for the wholsale gathering of personal phone call information without a warrant. It was meant to be used to monitor the phone calls of suspected terrorists with one party of the phone call located in another country. Now that it is being abused, it is probably time for congress to repeal the act.

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    Re: U.S. intelligence mining data from nine U.S. Internet companies

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    The point is, all blame is going on Obama .. which is beyond pathetic. It might be a stupid policy, but a GOP President started it, and a Democratic congress with Republican members have approved the damn thing every 3 months since 2006.

    Explain to me why Obama and his administration are being blamed for using the tools at their disposal? Why is there zero blame on Congress let alone the GOP members who not only voted for it, but freaking advocated such **** under the last President, where people on the right DEFENDED such bull**** over and over again...

    Sorry but this utter hypocrisy and passing the hot potato and ignoring past sins, not to mention being totally gullible in believing this was not happening... talk about living in a fantasy bubble world.
    Because apparently in any other world but the world the you and Pres Obama live in, the guy that's holding the hot potato is held accountable. In your guys world, it only matter who started things, not who currently presides over them and continues them. I don't care if Pres Bush started it. What's done is done. All I care about is the fact that Pres Obama continues it. And so should you.
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    Re: U.S. intelligence mining data from nine U.S. Internet companies

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Because apparently in any other world but the world the you and Pres Obama live in, the guy that's holding the hot potato is held accountable. In your guys world, it only matter who started things, not who currently presides over them and continues them. I don't care if Pres Bush started it. What's done is done. All I care about is the fact that Pres Obama continues it. And so should you.
    Or maybe you didn't care about under Bush...........................

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    Re: U.S. intelligence mining data from nine U.S. Internet companies

    14 more lies

    During a March 2012 congressional hearing, NSA Director Keith Alexander told Georgia Democratic Rep. Hank Johnson - 14 times - that his agency wasn't engaged in collecting the kind of domestic digital data that has now become the subject of embarrassing disclosures.
    Horrible timing: National Security Agency lists 'Digital Network Exploitation Analyst' internship opening as controversy swirls over digital snooping scandal | Mail Online

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    Re: U.S. intelligence mining data from nine U.S. Internet companies

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    Or maybe you didn't care about under Bush...........................
    Or maybe you should read a few posts back and see what I originally said about Bush........
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    Re: U.S. intelligence mining data from nine U.S. Internet companies

    Covertly surveilling the private communications of American citizens in the name of "safety"....

    while simultaneously pursuing an open borders/amnesty agenda......to the point of SUING any states that would attempt to secure the safety of their residents and American sovereignty through the enforcement of federal immigration law....

    is easily among the most disgusting bits of duplicity I have ever seen....
    it is also more than ample evidence that "safety" is not this administration's top priority......data collection is.

    and after the trust crushing IRS scandal, auditing of opposing political donors, and efforts to intimidate the press, it is personal data that should not ever be willingly or quietly relinquished.

    rise up.... or present your wrists to their shackles. sheep.
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    Re: U.S. intelligence mining data from nine U.S. Internet companies

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Because apparently in any other world but the world the you and Pres Obama live in, the guy that's holding the hot potato is held accountable. In your guys world, it only matter who started things, not who currently presides over them and continues them. I don't care if Pres Bush started it. What's done is done. All I care about is the fact that Pres Obama continues it. And so should you.
    No the fact is Obama uses the law, put in place by congress. It is congress that continues it.. without that approval the whole thing cant run.
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    Re: U.S. intelligence mining data from nine U.S. Internet companies

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    It is legal according to whom? The government? There is nothing in the patriot act that provides for the wholsale gathering of personal phone call information without a warrant.
    There is a warrant...

    It was meant to be used to monitor the phone calls of suspected terrorists with one party of the phone call located in another country. Now that it is being abused, it is probably time for congress to repeal the act.
    And that is how it is being used. And congress have known about this for a very long time and every 3 months have re-approved the whole thing... and you expect them to repeal the act? Not gonna happen.

    And for the record, I have long been against the way the US conducts its intelligence gathering because it effects everyone overseas .. but now it also effects US citizens... and payback is a bitch no?
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    Re: U.S. intelligence mining data from nine U.S. Internet companies

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    There is a warrant...



    And that is how it is being used. And congress have known about this for a very long time and every 3 months have re-approved the whole thing... and you expect them to repeal the act? Not gonna happen.

    And for the record, I have long been against the way the US conducts its intelligence gathering because it effects everyone overseas .. but now it also effects US citizens... and payback is a bitch no?
    Just goes to show you that you can't trust judges either. It is a very bad law.

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