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    Re: U.S. intelligence mining data from nine U.S. Internet companies

    Got to love how the right blames Obama and yet it all started under the last guy... and has been going on with the full knowledge and approval of their own representatives in Congress. Whats next... blaming Obama for drought, floods, the flu... the dog **** outside your door?
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    Should we consider these programs as threats to our 4th Amendment rights? Probably. But our right to privacy was thrown out in the previous administration. Just to be fair to both sides of the aisle, this program began under W., with support from congress. BUT Obama continued it. I suppose that in itself shows that it (and others) strengthened National Security. I remember Bush predicting that the next administration would continue his programs once they saw the reports, I suppose he was correct. What you think about these programs depends on your faith in the current state of government, I myself trust Obama to not push the programs to the extreme. Although I would be worried if an ultra- conservative got into office. The thing that perplexes me the most though, is how this turned into 'scandal". We have known about this since 2006, I quite frankly don't understand why we are suddenly freaking out again (Late reaction? DejaVu?).

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    Re: U.S. intelligence mining data from nine U.S. Internet companies

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Got to love how the right blames Obama and yet it all started under the last guy... and has been going on with the full knowledge and approval of their own representatives in Congress. Whats next... blaming Obama for drought, floods, the flu... the dog **** outside your door?
    Gotta love how the left seems to think that just because a Republican POTUS started a stupid policy that it makes it okay for a Democrat POTUS to continue the stupid policy. Just make sure you don't address the issue at hand instead of the issues from 5-6 years ago.
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    It blows my mind that some of you want to turn this into a partisan debate when in fact it is a bipartisan violation of our rights. Idiots from both sides of the aisle are doing this. POTUS's from both sides of the aisle have a hand in this. We have had a GOP controlled Congress, a Dem controlled Congress, and a split Congress in power during all of this. Yet, some of you want to say "It's Bush's fault!" "It's Obama's fault!" "Republicans started it!" "Dems took it too far!" How about it's your fault for continuing to vote in these idiots that make no issue of this and toe the party line. Of course, when we want our media to dig so deep into a politicians life, even to go as far as criticize him for leaving his dog on the roof or eating dog, I guess we'll get no sympathy from them when they dig into our lives a little.........
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    Re: U.S. intelligence mining data from nine U.S. Internet companies

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Gotta love how the left seems to think that just because a Republican POTUS started a stupid policy that it makes it okay for a Democrat POTUS to continue the stupid policy. Just make sure you don't address the issue at hand instead of the issues from 5-6 years ago.
    The point is, all blame is going on Obama .. which is beyond pathetic. It might be a stupid policy, but a GOP President started it, and a Democratic congress with Republican members have approved the damn thing every 3 months since 2006.

    Explain to me why Obama and his administration are being blamed for using the tools at their disposal? Why is there zero blame on Congress let alone the GOP members who not only voted for it, but freaking advocated such **** under the last President, where people on the right DEFENDED such bull**** over and over again...

    Sorry but this utter hypocrisy and passing the hot potato and ignoring past sins, not to mention being totally gullible in believing this was not happening... talk about living in a fantasy bubble world.
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    Re: U.S. intelligence mining data from nine U.S. Internet companies

    that's not what happened in this case
    Obama administration defends 2nd mass surveillance project | Fox News

    The companies that participate knowingly in the program are Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, Facebook, PalTalk, AOL, Skype, YouTube and Apple, the Washington Post reports.

    A number of the Internet companies issued statements Thursday night saying they only complied when legally bound to do so.
    if you linked more it would force you to know what you're talking about

    This is a "people need to learn what the heck they are freely putting on the Internet" thing
    absolutely

    and what on the campaign trail in 08 was a "violation of the basic civil liberties of the american people" and an "abuse of power" is friday morning in sunny san jose a "modest encroachment on privacy"

    Obama On NSA Program: "Modest Encroachments On Privacy Are Involved" | RealClearPolitics

    he's matured

    Obama: Surveillance Debate A "Sign of Maturity" That Wouldn't Have Happend 5-6 Years Ago | RealClearPolitics

    LOL!

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    Re: U.S. intelligence mining data from nine U.S. Internet companies

    I'm not trying to pin the fault on Bush or Obama, Bush made the program, Obama continued it. They both made the same choices.

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    Re: U.S. intelligence mining data from nine U.S. Internet companies

    it has to be leftwing...
    mike allen? jim vandehei? ben smith?

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    you don't know what you're talking about

    it's cuz you don't read enough

    why did clapper lie to wyden?
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    They both made the same choices
    alex abdo, staff attorney for the aclu: surveillance under bush "at least was targeted at agents of al qaeda" instead of "every customer of verizon business services"

    forbes link above

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    Re: U.S. intelligence mining data from nine U.S. Internet companies

    with the full knowledge and approval of their own representatives in Congress
    so many empty opinions, so few solid links...

    so much embarrassing ignorance

    Sen. Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.) on Friday disputed a claim President Obama made at a press conference only moments earlier, when the president said that every member of Congress had been briefed on the National Security Agency’s (NSA) domestic phone surveillance program.

    Merkley said only select members of the House and Senate Intelligence Committees had been briefed on the program, and that he was only aware of it because he obtained “special permission” to review the pertinent documents after hearing about it second-hand.

    “I knew about the program because I specifically sought it out,” Merkley said on MSNBC. “It’s not something that’s briefed outside the Intelligence Committee. I had to get special permission to find out about the program. It raised concerns for me. … When I saw what was being done, I felt it was so out of sync with the plain language of the law and that it merited full public examination, and that’s why I called for the declassification.”

    At a press conference on Friday, Obama said that every member of Congress had been briefed on the phone monitoring program. The president argued that the policy, which was implemented in 2007, struck the “right balance” between privacy and national security, and that it had been helpful in thwarting terrorist attacks.

    But Merkley on Friday blasted the administration’s handling of the program, saying it had ignored requests from Congress to explain the NSA’s domestic surveillance actions, and that it was implementing the program in a way that did not follow the “standard of the law.”

    Merkley argued that “plain language of the law” said that the NSA should only be allowed to collect phone data that related to an open investigation, but that the agency was using a “broad vacuum” to sweep up data from ordinary Americans.

    “The administration hasn’t listened at all,” Merkley said. “We’ve asked for the rulings of the FISA court – the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act court – about how it interprets the laws Congress passes to be declassified so we can have a conversation with the American people about that.”

    “For example, the question is — how is scooping up your cellphone data, which tracks where you are, my cellphone data, related to an investigation?” he asked. “That’s the plain language of the law — related to an investigation. Well, certainly anyone would hear that and think that’s a certain hurdle that has to be met. That there’s a crime or a potential crime or a potential national security threat that justifies scooping up your information and my information. Clearly the administration has not followed what an ordinary person would consider to be the standard of the law here, and has not been willing to release the opinion of the FISA court in how they’re interpreting that language, despite repeated requests from Congress to do so.”

    “By the way,” Merkley continued. “When I sought information [on the phone surveillance program], the only information I got was that, yes there is a program sweeping up broad amounts of data through the records act. This second thing, which we just learned about, called PRISM, I had no idea about.”
    Dem. Senator disputes Obama's claim that Congress was briefed - The Hill

    there's a great deal more that's been published on this question...

    but you don't read, so what's the use

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