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    Re: U.S. intelligence mining data from nine U.S. Internet companies

    There's still one place left in the US where Government respects your privacy... but who wants to crawl up someone's womb every time you want to make a phone call?

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    Re: U.S. intelligence mining data from nine U.S. Internet companies

    do you honestly believe corporations could have prevented it?
    Obama administration defends 2nd mass surveillance project | Fox News

    The companies that participate knowingly in the program are Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, Facebook, PalTalk, AOL, Skype, YouTube and Apple, the Washington Post reports.

    A number of the Internet companies issued statements Thursday night saying they only complied when legally bound to do so.
    how many companies participate...

    y'know, unknowingly?

    chilling
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    Re: U.S. intelligence mining data from nine U.S. Internet companies

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    A) The fact people seem to find this surprising amuses me.

    B) If these companies are allowing access, your complaint is not with the government, but rather the systems which are allowing access.
    Don't be a shill for Obama, the govt can hand Google a warrant, and tell them to get the **** out of their way. Obama is data mining huge ISP databases.....but why??? What's he looking for, it ain't terrorists cause they're on the run....remember? He's hunting down phone calls, emails, text messages, everything. And then he hired people who think like him to hound conservative groups. Oh but that was just an accident, sure. I don't give a **** that it happened before....IT'S HAPPENING NOW! It needs to stop. He's got the EPA hassling people too, lots of govt agencies involved in slimy ****.
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    Re: U.S. intelligence mining data from nine U.S. Internet companies

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    Obama administration defends 2nd mass surveillance project | Fox News



    how many companies participate...

    y'know, unknowingly?

    chilling
    Pre-Emption - Inside The Nsa | Spying On The Home Front | FRONTLINE | PBS

    Here from PBS, no liberal will dare bitch about this article, it's from Liberal Heaven itself.

    This is what the Left is in denial over, they'll fight to the death to protect Obama from blame. But he's using this for political purposes. The NSA, IRS and EPA, and who knows what other agency hasn't been discovered yet. Information is POWER. Sounds like conspiracy, because that's precisely what it is. But Obama is smart, like I've said in other threads he hired his friends.....social justice nuts like himself to implement policies to scrutinize and silence political enemies. That's Chicago style politics.
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    Re: U.S. intelligence mining data from nine U.S. Internet companies

    greenwald and the guardian are gonna get it

    oh, wait---they're in england

    The Obama administration is invoking an obscure legal privilege to avoid judicial scrutiny of its secret collection of the communications of potentially millions of Americans.

    Civil liberties lawyers trying to hold the administration to account through the courts for its surveillance of phone calls and emails of American citizens have been repeatedly stymied by the government's recourse to the "military and state secrets privilege". The precedent, rarely used but devastating in its legal impact, allows the government to claim that it cannot be submitted to judicial oversight because to do so it would have to compromise national security.

    The government has cited the privilege in two active lawsuits being heard by a federal court in the northern district of California – Virginia Shubert v Barack Obama et al, and Carolyn Jewel v the National Security Agency. In both cases, the Obama administration has called for the cases to be dismissed on the grounds that the government's secret activities must remain secret.

    The director of national intelligence, James Clapper, has written in court filings that "after careful and actual personal consideration of the matter, based upon my own knowledge and information obtained in the course of my official duties, I have determined that the disclosure of certain information would cause exceptionally grave damage to the national security of the United States. Thus, as to this information, I formally assert the state secrets privilege."

    The use of the privilege has been personally approved by President Obama and several of the administration's most senior officials: in addition to Clapper, they include the director of the NSA Keith Alexander and Eric Holder, the attorney general. "The attorney general has personally reviewed and approved the government's privilege assertion in these cases," legal documents state.

    In comments on Friday about the surveillance controversy, Obama insisted that the secret programmes were subjected "not only to congressional oversight but judicial oversight". He said federal judges were "looking over our shoulders".

    But civil liberties lawyers say that the use of the privilege to shut down legal challenges was making a mockery of such "judicial oversight". Though classified information was shown to judges in camera, the citing of the precedent in the name of national security cowed judges into submission.

    "The administration is saying that even if they are violating the constitution or committing a federal crime no court can stop them because it would compromise national security. That's a very dangerous argument," said Ilann Maazel, a lawyer with the New York-based Emery Celli firm who acts as lead counsel in the Shubert case.

    "This has been legally frustrating and personally upsetting," Maazel added. "We have asked the government time after time what is the limit to the state secrets privilege, whether there's anything the government can't do and keep it secret, and every time the answer is: no."

    Virginia Shubert, a housing expert from Brooklyn who is the first named plaintiff in the case, said she joined it because she considered the vast monitoring of telecommunications and emails in the wake of 9/11 to be an erosion of her rights. She called the use of the state secret privilege in blocking the action "absurd. When the government faces allegations that it has violated the constitution, it cannot hide behind state secrets to avoid accountability."

    In court motions, the Obama administration has set out the information that it claims is exempt from legal scrutiny under the privilege, including "information that may tend to confirm or deny whether the plaintiffs have been subject to any alleged NSA intelligence activity" and "any information concerning NSA intelligence activities, sources, or methods that may relate to or be necessary to adjudicate plaintiffs' allegations."

    The government goes further and says that the state secrets privilege also covers "allegations that the NSA, with the assistance of telecommunications carriers such as AT&T and Verizon, indiscriminately intercepts the content of communications and also collects the communication records of millions of Americans."

    The second case, Jewel versus National Security Agency, was lodged in 2008 following the disclosures of an AT&T whistleblower, Mark Klein. He revealed in 2006 that the telecoms firm had set up a secret NSA room within its San Francisco office in which all phone calls from the region were passing through a splitter cabinet that sent a copy to the NSA.

    Mark Rumold, an attorney with the Electronic Frontier Foundation working on Jewel, said that this week's disclosures by the Guardian would make it increasingly difficult for the administration to claim the state secrets privilege.

    "The Guardian's disclosures may fundamentally alter the government's approach as they are going to have a tough time convincing a judge that this stuff is secret," he said.
    US government invokes special privilege to stop scrutiny of data mining | World news | guardian.co.uk

    secrets, lies, bullying, privileges...

    why did clapper lie to ron wyden?

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    Re: U.S. intelligence mining data from nine U.S. Internet companies

    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
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    Re: U.S. intelligence mining data from nine U.S. Internet companies

    Quote Originally Posted by hidingrpolitics View Post
    A.) It'd be shocking if most people *didn't* find this shocking
    It was shocking years ago. The only shocking thing about it now is the fact people were seemingly oblivious to this going on for a decade.

    B.) Of course the complaint should be with the government.
    No, it shouldn't. The complaint is with the ones who willingly turn over the data, without being required too. I know it's fashionable these days to hate on "big bad government", but if these companies are not protecting your privacy, your beef is with them, not the government.

    If the government really wanted those records, do you honestly believe corporations could have prevented it?
    It doesn't matter if they COULD have prevented it, it matters that they didn't try. If they denied the request, and the government got a court order which forced them to turn over the records, then you could be enraged at the government all you want. But that's not what happened in this case.
    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Don't be a shill for Obama, the govt can hand Google a warrant, and tell them to get the **** out of their way.
    1) I'm not shilling for anyone.
    2) You seem to think the government is one entity, all in cahoots, conspiring against Americans. It really doesn't work that way.
    3) If the government HAD done that, then you could be upset with government. But they didn't.

    It's called being logical and paying attention to the facts. Instead of going about crying "shill", how about you put aside your erroneous understanding of government and try just using the facts?

    Obama is data mining huge ISP databases.....but why???
    No, Obama is not, the NSA and FBI (and I'm sure many other agencies as well) are, just like they have been for years. It's amazing how much people believe the President can do in one day.

    He's hunting down phone calls, emails, text messages, everything. And then he hired people who think like him to hound conservative groups.
    Do you ever get tired of making up stuff that has yet to be supported with any evidence? This is why I cannot stand Republicans these days.

    I don't give a **** that it happened before....IT'S HAPPENING NOW!
    Of course you don't care it's happened before, that gets in the way of you blaming Obama for all the bad things that have ever happened in the world.


    This is not an Obama thing. This is not a Republican vs. Democrat thing. This is a "people need to learn what the heck they are freely putting on the Internet" thing. When you post your information to Google, when you leave your e-mail on Microsoft's servers, it's not yours. It does not belong to you. When you update your status on Facebook, it's considered to be public information. Put the blame where it belongs, which is on these companies who allow the government to mine the data with ease.

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    Re: U.S. intelligence mining data from nine U.S. Internet companies

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    If by "leftwing" you mean "everything that isn't intentionally hard core right-wing then it has to be leftwing"... then I suppose so.
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    Re: U.S. intelligence mining data from nine U.S. Internet companies

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    LOL - and people honestly wondered why giving Bush permission to wiretap / etc - without warrant was bad . . . it eventually explodes and turns into something like this - a revisit of the Communism FBI affairs from the early 1900's
    Or like giving someone the ability to launch Hellfire's from a drone with impunity. Sure, they'd never abuse that power..........
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    Re: U.S. intelligence mining data from nine U.S. Internet companies

    That's what the sharing with 3rd parties is all about...

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