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    Re: U.S. intelligence mining data from nine U.S. Internet companies

    I'm not complaining at all, I support it. If this is a result of 'corruption', we need more of it, not less.
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    where politics and ops overlap:

    “I can assure you the phone number tracking of non-criminal, non-terrorist suspects was not discussed [at the administration's classified briefings],” said [Congressman Aaron] Schock. “Most members have stopped going to their classified briefings because they rarely tell us anything we don’t already know in the news. It really has become a charade.”
    Lawmakers rebut Obama's data defense - Reid J. Epstein - POLITICO.com

    “By the way,” [Senator Jeff] Merkley continued. “When I sought information [on the phone surveillance program], the only information I got was that, yes there is a program sweeping up broad amounts of data through the records act. This second thing, which we just learned about, called PRISM, I had no idea about.”
    Dem. Senator disputes Obama's claims that Congress was briefed

    why did nsa director alexander tell congressman hank johnson 14 times that no digital data was being collected?

    stay tuned

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    lol!!!
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    Re: U.S. intelligence mining data from nine U.S. Internet companies

    where politics and ops overlap:

    "the only lawmakers who knew about prism were bound by oaths of office to hold their tongues"

    the guardian above

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    Re: U.S. intelligence mining data from nine U.S. Internet companies

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    where politics and ops overlap:

    "the only lawmakers who knew about prism were bound by oaths of office to hold their tongues"

    the guardian above
    lol!!!
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    where politics and ops overlap:

    US government invokes special privilege to stop scrutiny of data mining | World news | guardian.co.uk

    aclu: "makes a mockery of judicial oversight"

    secrets, lies, bullying, privileges...

    why did clapper lie to wyden?

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    Re: U.S. intelligence mining data from nine U.S. Internet companies

    mojo (mother jones), friday:

    Justice Department Fights Release of Secret Court Opinion Finding Unconstitutional Surveillance | Mother Jones

    In the midst of revelations that the government has conducted extensive top-secret surveillance operations to collect domestic phone records and internet communications, the Justice Department was due to file a court motion Friday in its effort to keep secret an 86-page court opinion that determined that the government had violated the spirit of federal surveillance laws and engaged in unconstitutional spying.

    This important case—all the more relevant in the wake of this week's disclosures—was triggered after Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.), a member of the Senate intelligence committee, started crying foul in 2011 about US government snooping. As a member of the intelligence committee, he had learned about domestic surveillance activity affecting American citizens that he believed was improper. He and Sen. Mark Udall (D-Colo.), another intelligence committee member, raised only vague warnings about this data collection, because they could not reveal the details of the classified program that concerned them. But in July 2012, Wyden was able to get the Office of the Director of National Intelligence to declassify two statements that he wanted to issue publicly. They were:

    On at least one occasion the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court held that some collection carried out pursuant to the Section 702 minimization procedures used by the government was unreasonable under the Fourth Amendment.

    I believe that the government's implementation of Section 702 of FISA [the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act] has sometimes circumvented the spirit of the law, and on at least one occasion the FISA Court has reached this same conclusion.

    For those who follow the secret and often complex world of high-tech government spying, this was an aha moment. The FISA court Wyden referred to oversees the surveillance programs run by the government, authorizing requests for various surveillance activities related to national security, and it does this behind a thick cloak of secrecy. Wyden's statements led to an obvious conclusion: He had seen a secret FISA court opinion that ruled that one surveillance program was unconstitutional and violated the spirit of the law. But, yet again, Wyden could not publicly identify this program.

    Enter the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a public interest group focused on digital rights. It quickly filed a Freedom of Information Act request with the Justice Department for any written opinion or order of the FISA court that held government surveillance was improper or unconstitutional. The Justice Department did not respond, and EFF was forced to file a lawsuit a month later.

    It took the Justice Department four months to reply. The government's lawyers noted that they had located records responsive to the request, including a FISA court opinion. But the department was withholding the opinion because it was classified.

    EFF pushed ahead with its lawsuit, and in a filing in April, the Justice Department acknowledged that the document in question was an 86-page opinion the FISA court had issued on October 3, 2011. Again, there was no reference to the specific surveillance activity that the court had found improper or unconstitutional. And now the department argued that the opinion was controlled by the FISA court and could only be released by that body, not by the Justice Department or through an order of a federal district court. In other words, leave us alone and take this case to the secret FISA court itself.

    This was puzzling to EFF, according to David Sobel, a lawyer for the group. In 2007, the American Civil Liberties Union had asked the FISA court to release an opinion, and the court had informed the ACLU to take the matter up with the Justice Department and work through a district court, if necessary.

    So there was a contradiction within the government. "It's a bizarre catch-22," Sobel says. On its website, EFF compared this situation to a Kafka plot: "A public trapped between conflicting rules and a secret judicial body, with little transparency or public oversight, seems like a page ripped from The Trial."

    Before EFF could get a ruling on whether this opinion can be declassified and released, it had to first sort out this Alice in Wonderland situation. Consequently, last month, it filed a motion with the FISA court to resolve this aspect of the case. "We want the FISA court to say that if the district court says the opinion should be released, there is noting in its rules that prevents that," Sobel says. Then EFF can resume its battle with the Justice Department in federal district court for the release of the opinion. The Justice Department was ordered by the FISA court to respond by June 7 to the motion EFF submitted to the FISA court.

    Currently, given the conflicting positions of the Justice Department and the FISA court, Sobel notes, "there is no court you can go to to challenge the secrecy" protecting an opinion noting that the government acted unconstitutionally. On its website, EFF observes, "Granted, it's likely that some of the information contained within FISC opinions should be kept secret; but, when the government hides court opinions describing unconstitutional government action, America's national security is harmed: not by disclosure of our intelligence capabilities, but through the erosion of our commitment to the rule of law."

    There's no telling if the 86-page FISA court opinion EFF seeks is directly related to either of these two programs, but EFF's pursuit of this document shows just how difficult it is—perhaps impossible—for the public to pry from the government information about domestic surveillance gone wrong.
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    Re: U.S. intelligence mining data from nine U.S. Internet companies

    lolwut
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    Re: U.S. intelligence mining data from nine U.S. Internet companies

    wut
    oregon senator ron wyden forced odni to release a statement that revealed that the fisa court in an 86 page report found that the nsa's data collection was unreasonable under the 4th amendment

    the electronic frontier foundation sought thru foia to make public the report, the doj friday filed a motion to keep secret the ruling which found the nsa in violation of the constitution

    but keep it under your hat

    it's a secret

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    Re: U.S. intelligence mining data from nine U.S. Internet companies

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    No the fact is Obama uses the law, put in place by congress. It is congress that continues it.. without that approval the whole thing cant run.
    And Pres Obama has to sign off on that. Wow, you are a lot more partisan than I remember. That you would even try to excuse Pres Obama from "using" a law simply because it's in place is ridiculous. I guess you have no issue with Congress practicing insider trading either just because it's legal?
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