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Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

NBC reports that Obamacare now polls 49/37 unfavorable, the worst rating they have EVAH recorded.
For now...

Just wait till next year!
 
Not surprising. People are now realizing the truth that ObamaCare isn't what they said it was.

I still don't understand what happened in 2009-10. You didn't have to be an opponent of Obamacare, you merely had to be sentient, to realize that O was lying when he ran around the country claiming that, "If you like the coverage you have now, you can keep it."
 
I still don't understand what happened in 2009-10. You didn't have to be an opponent of Obamacare, you merely had to be sentient, to realize that O was lying when he ran around the country claiming that, "If you like the coverage you have now, you can keep it."

Nobody read the bill, this is what happens.
 
That approval rating is going to go up as soon as people understand how it's going to effect them. Our government has done a piss-poor job of bringin' it on home.

I'm trying to think of the last time the congress did something well. It was......well.......um........
 
That approval rating is going to go up as soon as people understand how it's going to effect them. Our government has done a piss-poor job of bringin' it on home.

You're talking about the tax increases and the decreased access to doctors, right?
 
They are only going to make it worse when they start explaining that it costs more because it provides better quality. That is the antithesis of the original sales pitch of "bend the cost curve down" and "Affordable", and will only show the proponents and authors as the liars that they are.
 
They are only going to make it worse when they start explaining that it costs more because it provides better quality. That is the antithesis of the original sales pitch of "bend the cost curve down" and "Affordable", and will only show the proponents and authors as the liars that they are.

Wait a minute! How can the cost of healthcare NOT go down when you add thirty million people to the rolls???
 
I'm talking about the reality rather than the rhetoric.

Well, the reality is tax increases, not to mention cost increases, and decreased access to doctors. Why do you think those things will be popular?
 
Well, the reality is tax increases, not to mention cost increases, and decreased access to doctors. Why do you think those things will be popular?

Most of the tax increases are not going to effect the greater majority of Americans.

  • Rise in dividend and capital gains rates will only effect those who earn over $200K single/$250K married.
  • The Medicare Payroll tax will rise by a negligible amount; the penalty will effect those who chose not to buy health insurance -- I have no problem hitting them with a tax;
  • employers who are hit with a noncompliance tax because they have more than 50 employees should get hit; they should be providing group-leveraged health insurance to their employees (with some kind of co-pay);
  • I have no problem with Cadillac Plans getting hit with an excise tax since their receiving employer-paid insurance is tax-free;
  • the tax on health insurance companies will hurt their bottom line, but won't effect most Americans since they are regulated as to how much they can hike premiums;
  • the 2.5% excise tax on medical devices is reasonable in order to help fund a plan whereby uninsureds are able to obtain affordable healthcare insurance despite pre-existing conditions;
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    raising the threshhold from 7.5% to 10% before being able to deduct medical bills won't effect that many people since the greater majority won't have these astronomical bills anymore;
  • the Flexible Spending Account cap will probably be removed for those with special needs and that those accounts will not longer be able to buy aspirin or other over-the-counter medications makes sense to me;
  • the elimination of employers being able to deduct RX drug coverage for retirees effects a small number of people and plans;
  • the Economic Substance Doctrine is something that should have been implemented a loooong time ago;
  • the 10% excise tax on indoor tanning? WTF cares?
  • disadvantaging HSA's from a 10% to 20% penalty for withdrawal for anything other than medical expenses is generous to me--it simply shouldn't be allowed;
  • healthcare insurance company CEO limits of $500K in salary sounds reasonable to me when they're being fed taxpayer dollars every which way but loose;
  • there are three other tax hikes that even this sky-is-falling piece calls negligible.

In short, it's all worth it.

As to less access to doctors? I'm not at all sure this projection is accurate. Sick people don't not go to doctors because they're sick. If we do have to wait longer for appointments, we'll find out we're well before we go. And emergency rooms are likely to be freed up for . . . wait for it . . . real emergencies.

Full List of Obamacare Tax Hikes | Congressman Jeff Duncan
 
Some of those tax increases are already affecting us, not to mention the effect the ACA has had on the economy the last 4.5 years

Tax increases on dividends usually only applies to people who make 250k and above.

I don't run into many folks taking advanatages of dividends and low taxes on capital gains makings less than 250k.

It's a horrible law and a horrible idea, to raise taxes so real wwealth can be taken out of the economy and into the black whole of Government.
 
I have three things to say to both sides of this debate:

1.) L
2.) O
3.) L

For those of you that think this thing, as is, is going to be great and wonderful... wake up.

For those of you who think it's going to make things worse... duh!! Of course it is! It is designed that way!

What is going to take effect next year is little more than a segway. It is the first in a series of calculated steps to get us to single payer. Incrementalism, if you will. The funny thing is, they didn't even try to pretend that this hasn't been the real goal all along. Go back and listen to their own words. Obama himself said that he wants single payer but realizes it's going to take up to maybe twenty years to get there. Why is that? Because the only way it will happen is if the public demands it. How do you get the public to support something they currently do not? You make what they have right now so bad that single payer looks good by comparison.

Pretty simple strategy, don't you think?
 
Most of the tax increases are not going to effect the greater majority of Americans.

  • the tax on health insurance companies will hurt their bottom line, but won't effect most Americans since they are regulated as to how much they can hike premiums;
  • the 2.5% excise tax on medical devices is reasonable in order to help fund a plan whereby uninsureds are able to obtain affordable healthcare insurance despite pre-existing conditions;


In short, it's all worth it.

As to less access to doctors? I'm not at all sure this projection is accurate. Sick people don't not go to doctors because they're sick. If we do have to wait longer for appointments, we'll find out we're well before we go. And emergency rooms are likely to be freed up for . . . wait for it . . . real emergencies.

Full List of Obamacare Tax Hikes | Congressman Jeff Duncan


Its not worth it. The regulation related to premium hikes is tied directly to how much they actually have to spend. The ACA is turning insurance from a risk pool into just a pool, which is just going to skyrocket how much insurance co's will be paying out, thus leading to a direct, and regulated, massive increase in premiums.

The medical device excise tax makes no sense. "Hi, I'm the ACA and I want to make your healthcare insurance more affordable, by increasing the cost to you for everything used in treating you. You're welcome."
 
That approval rating is going to go up as soon as people understand how it's going to effect them. Our government has done a piss-poor job of bringin' it on home.

The old idea of passing someone unpopular with the knowledge that it's a giveaway to people and they always support a giveaway in the end. Because after all, what better idea is there than to understand people desire personal benefit and use it to your advantage to do truly awful things.
 
I'm talking about the reality rather than the rhetoric.

Just so we're clear the reality, as you see it, is we're going to add thirty million new people who pay nothing into the system without increasing cost or wait times?

Yeah. That sounds about right.
 
Wait a minute! How can the cost of healthcare NOT go down when you add thirty million people to the rolls???

It is simple economics. Demand increases...supply decreases or stays the same...what happens to price? It goes up.
 
Just so we're clear the reality, as you see it, is we're going to add thirty million new people who pay nothing into the system without increasing cost or wait times?

Yeah. That sounds about right.

No. That's not what I said at all. I clearly gave my opinion on every tax increase, and ended the post by saying I thought it was worth it. Perhaps you've never had to buy your own insurance. Or perhaps you don't want any. I do want it. My insurance premium is outrageous because I have pre-existing conditions. I've had to purchase my health insurance throughout my whole life since I've always been an entrepreneur.

I know first-hand what it costs. If your employer helps pay for yours, you have no IDEA what it costs. You're about to find out. When people begin to realize what their insurance premiums cost them, they will start using our healthcare services more judiciously. Until then, we're screwed.

As to MY premiums? Until I got into Illinois' ICHIP program, my monthly insurance premium was $850.00 a month and rising at the rate of 15% per year. Through ICHIP, my premium dropped to $670. Most people couldn't even afford that premium so they would go without. And risk losing every penny they had.

Obamacare isn't perfect; it will be tweaked. But it is sorely needed and I'm glad it's here...for many more reasons than I've discussed here.
 
That approval rating is going to go up as soon as people understand how it's going to effect them. Our government has done a piss-poor job of bringin' it on home.

Can I etch this quote in stone, and mail it to you in 20 years?

I am quite certain you will eat your words Ms. Maggie.
 
Obamacare isn't perfect; it will be tweaked.

This was the original theory. Who knew that the public would hate the scheme so much that they would immediately vote out the Democratic majority in the House. So, who exactly is going to enact these necessary "tweaks"???
 
You're talking about the tax increases and the decreased access to doctors, right?

Only in the world of Libertopia would more people having health insurance equate to "decreased access to doctors."
 
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