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its not like the health care system was a paragon of excellence before reform. you can't undo medicare because it is a debt. not a financial debt but a debt to society.
how will you explain to the people promised the benefits of medicare that taking away the program and throwing the entire health care system to the wolfs known as the free market would benifit them?
medical equipment is expensive. medical bills are expensive. malpractice insurance is expensive for doctors and they give mutiple tests to prevent being sold and the medical bills of those tests is expensive. insurance is expensive. all of this exists and that is the result of the free market.
people grow old, and people are more susceptable to sickness if they are elderly. easy pickings for the insurance industry
Not Obama. Not enough to reverse the law. Explain that.
Romney care = Obama care
And republicans hated Obama's plan so
much, they choose Romney as the candidate, the single candidate whose system was most like Obama's. :lamo
The distinction between the two was apparent.
Romney would have left it up to the States.
A decision that would have adhered to the Constitution.
Obama's intent was never about providing health care to the needy by the way, or repairing "the broken " system we had.
Which is exceddingly OBVIOUS seeing how ObamaCare has made things much much worse.
I they the they refers quite specifically to congress on the whole. This doesn't seem to be too difficult or shocking. You may find a person or three who didn't, but that is meaningless. I convinced most knew exactly what they were voting for.
And while you use a nice sound bite for Kerry, it is also a dishonest one.
Any honest person who read what he said before his vote on Iraq knows he stated clearly before voting he would oppose action taken outside of the UN. Partisans are all too often dishonest with these things and rely on sound bites over actual content.
Tell yourself what you must, but Romney would have changed little. All that would have changed would be republican hyperbole. :lamo:lamo:lamo
And republicans hated Obama's plan so much, they choose Romney as the candidate, the single candidate whose system was most like Obama's. :lamo
"Congress on the whole" is not specific. In order to be specicific you have to be specific. In other words you need to name names,This you cannot do. You may be 'convinced" yet you offer no evidence, only your beliefs.
No, another belief of yours that is in error.
Then he should have voted No before he voted Yes.
Really? Another 'belief' of yours?
All Leftists have are their beliefs, and reality seldom intrudes.
Are you making the claim that Romney would have implemented a federal healthcare system similar to Obamacare had he been elected? What evidence do you have of this?
Are you making the claim that Romney would have implemented a federal healthcare system similar to Obamacare had he been elected? What evidence do you have of this?
Nobody read the bill, this is what happens.
Totally false. Insurance cos. read the bill and they liked it.
They read the entire bill?
And we are talking about the people passing the bill.
Their lawyers did.
Yes, the insurance cos. passed the bill after their lawyers read it.
Tell yourself what you must, but Romney would have changed little. All that
would have changed would be republican hyperbole. :lamo:lamo:lamo
Um, do you even know what you are talking about? We are talking about Congress, the Representatives and Senators did not read this bill.
Delusional ramblings and hypothetical constructs are not condusive to a objective debate over the issues.
Correct.. No one in Congress read the full bill. Seldom do they read any bill.
In the US, the responsibility to read bills falls to the sponsors of the pols who will vote for the bill, and in this case, that's the insurance cos. themselves. Once a sponsor's legal dept. determines that a bill meets it's objectives, the sponsor orders it's pols to vote for the bill. And that's what happened to obamacare. If the insurance co. legal depts. were unhappy with the bill, they would've ordered their reps in Congress to vote it down.
That is incorrect, the responsibility falls on those passing the bill. Take a civics class please. That being said, you clearly don't understand how govnerment is intended to work and only know the crazy mess we have today.
We are talking about Congress though, not insurance companies, we didn't elect insurance companies. The point is, they stuffed tons of stuff in this bill that is going to hurt, not help, Americans, and Congress blindly accepted it.