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Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

Boo Radley said:
No,it isn't. We don't directly vote on things. We elect representatives. If we don't like what they do, we elect new ones. How'd that election go?
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63 Democrats were voted out of the House.
 
wbcoleman said:
All the more reason to acknowledge the illegitimacy of Obamacare.
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Nothing he did makes us socialist. There is no logic in what you wrote above.
 
Boo Radley said:
Not Obama. Not enough to reverse the law. Explain that.
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Obama was reelected despite Obamacare and despite his other tragic economic errors. But the 2010 election was a referendum on O-care. The GOP would have recaptured the Senate, too, if not for the joke candidates.
 
jmotivator said:
When you see the pool of potential doctors for your mom dry up and are forced to settle for long wait times for an assembly line clinic while your taxes run through the roof you will realize what a piece of garbage you have hung your hopes on.
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With insurance and pharmaceutical companies practically dictating how a physician treats their patients I can't say the system has been golden before the healthcare law.
 
wbcoleman said:
Obama was reelected despite Obamacare and despite his other tragic economic errors. But the 2010 election was a referendum on O-care. The GOP would have recaptured the Senate, too, if not for the joke candidates.
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Excuse it any way you want, the voter had the option to vote in a way to change it but didn't. Those most against it fell early and often.
 
Boo Radley said:
I don't think that's true either. I think it is just a stereotype used to avoid talking the issue.
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Believe what you will. But anytime a liberal is faced with "how are you going to pay for this" they don't respond, like what kind of stupid question is that. Do you really think people on the left really care how much debt this country is accumulating. I sure don't see it. But they do care about is getting their entitlements, their nanny and freebies. They could care less where the money comes from.
 
wbcoleman said:
this was a perversion of democratic government.
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Until the legislature is abolished and laws are passed by popular referendum we will not have a democratic government. Our republican form of government rests on the principle of representative government. Representative government is not necessarily meant to follow the will of the electorate. Just as plumbers and mechanics are meant to gain expertise in their fields, governors (that being all who hold a position in elected government) are meant to carry out their profession by studying government and gaining greater expertise and wisdom on the issues of governance.

I'm not saying that the health care law was great, I'm just saying that expecting your elected officials to do what you want, or what the majority wants, all the time will only lead to disappointment and an unnecessary distrust of government.
 
Boo Radley said:
Excuse it any way you want, the voter had the option to vote in a way to change it but didn't. Those most against it fell early and often.
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The voters did have that option, and had Obamacare been the only issue they would no doubt have exercised it. Perhaps you've noticed how many states have rejected the scheme.
 
TwEnTY-SiX said:
With insurance and pharmaceutical companies practically dictating how a physician treats their patients I can't say the system has been golden before the healthcare law.
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This will be worse. But in a sad way I want to see the slow realization in the program's supporters of how blind they have been and how willfully they gave away everything regarding their own choices with their bodies to mindless bureaucrats. It's like the moment when you realize your friend just can't be talked out of a stupid stunt so you just sit back and watch the painful lesson unfold.
 
Born Free said:
Believe what you will. But anytime a liberal is faced with "how are you going to pay for this" they don't respond, like what kind of stupid question is that. Do you really think people on the left really care how much debt this country is accumulating. I sure don't see it. But they do care about is getting their entitlements, their nanny and freebies. They could care less where the money comes from.
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Until it runs out, as Mrs. Thatcher observed!
 
TwEnTY-SiX said:
Until the legislature is abolished and laws are passed by popular referendum we will not have a democratic government. Our republican form of government rests on the principle of representative government. Representative government is not necessarily meant to follow the will of the electorate. Just as plumbers and mechanics are meant to gain expertise in their fields, governors (that being all who hold a position in elected government) are meant to carry out their profession by studying government and gaining greater expertise and wisdom on the issues of governance.

I'm not saying that the health care law was great, I'm just saying that expecting your elected officials to do what you want, or what the majority wants, all the time will only lead to disappointment and an unnecessary distrust of government.
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This was an extreme case, the public will was obvious. Even with supermajorities in both houses, the Democrats had to spend months buying off their own members and, in the end, were forced to resort to kinky parliamentary maneuvers.
 
Born Free said:
Believe what you will. But anytime a liberal is faced with "how are you going to pay for this" they don't respond, like what kind of stupid question is that. Do you really think people on the left really care how much debt this country is accumulating. I sure don't see it. But they do care about is getting their entitlements, their nanny and freebies. They could care less where the money comes from.
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Maybe you should ask a person and respond to that person, instead if generic stereotypical liberals.

Look, we pay more than anyone in the world right now, and with less than stellar access. We could adopt any number of different single payer systems and pay less. Paying less is saving money and not spending more. That is a clear answer.
 
wbcoleman said:
The voters did have that option, and had Obamacare been the only issue they would no doubt have exercised it. Perhaps you've noticed how many states have rejected the scheme.
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Oh, they had options. They just don't choose any if them. Not one of them.

States are also elected. We'll se how that moves as well.
 
Boo Radley said:
Maybe you should ask a person and respond to that person, instead if generic stereotypical liberals.

Look, we pay more than anyone in the world right now, and with less than stellar access. We could adopt any number of different single payer systems and pay less. Paying less is saving money and not spending more. That is a clear answer.
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Under Obamacare, most people are going to pay more, especially if large numbers of young, healthy people ignore O's entreaties and refuse to sign up.
 
Boo Radley said:
Maybe you should ask a person and respond to that person, instead if generic stereotypical liberals.

Look, we pay more than anyone in the world right now, and with less than stellar access. We could adopt any number of different single payer systems and pay less. Paying less is saving money and not spending more. That is a clear answer.
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Unfortunately Obama caved and did not produce a single payer system when his political capital was at it's apex. So supporting ACA has nothing to do with being for a single payer system. That is why the unfavorables are so high. People like me who supported true reform are against it, and people who wanted no change are against it.
 
Boo Radley said:
Oh, they had options. They just don't choose any if them. Not one of them.

States are also elected. We'll se how that moves as well.
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What is your point? People didn't like the Iraq war but they reelected George Bush anyway because The Pompous Windbag was an unacceptable alternative. You might agree that the Republicans pretty much threw out Obamacare as the deciding issue when they nominated Mitt Romney.
 
washunut said:
Unfortunately Obama caved and did not produce a single payer system when his political capital was at it's apex. So supporting ACA has nothing to do with being for a single payer system. That is why the unfavorables are so high. People like me who supported true reform are against it, and people who wanted no change are against it.
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Right. Even if you don't like the status quo ante, what the Democrats came up with is a G-d awful mess.
 
wbcoleman said:
What is your point? People didn't like the Iraq war but they reelected George Bush anyway because The Pompous Windbag was an unacceptable alternative. You might agree that the Republicans pretty much threw out Obamacare as the deciding issue when they nominated Mitt Romney.
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Yes hey did. So they didn't dislike it enough.

And yes, they hated reform so bad that republicans pick he guy whose system was most like Obama's. This shows real dislike I tells ya!
 
washunut said:
Unfortunately Obama caved and did not produce a single payer system when his political capital was at it's apex. So supporting ACA has nothing to do with being for a single payer system. That is why the unfavorables are so high. People like me who supported true reform are against it, and people who wanted no change are against it.
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I don't disagree completely. And people like you and I are part of the unfavorable, something else not admitted by those who often throw out the unpopularness of tis reform. Many wanted more and better.
 
Boo Radley said:
Yes hey did. So they didn't dislike it enough.

And yes, they hated reform so bad that republicans pick he guy whose system was most like Obama's. This shows real dislike I tells ya!
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You know, I sort of hope the Democrats mirror your attitude and fail to respond as support for the scheme continues to diminish.
 
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