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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaGo View Post
    And the numbers will be more like 80/6......
    Heading into the midterms ............ hopefully the GOP can finally unseat some of those bed-sores sitting in the Dem seats. Crash this giant hope-and-change turd.

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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    In a true free market you would be correct about supply increasing in reaction to increased demand. The problem is government interference. We are already hearing about care providers dropping out because of it.
    And what magical intervention prevents an increase in medical supplies and personnel? An I barred from producing bandages or starting a medical school?
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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Why do you think supply would decrease? We're going to run out of healthcares?

    Are you telling me the magical, benevolent hand of the hallowed free market wont react to an increase in price with an increase in supply?
    The supply of doctors isn't going to decrease. Who knows, it may increase, but how many years are required to put a new doctor on-line? My daughter began medical school in September, 2007, and she now has two more years of residency [plus a fellowship] ahead of her. Meanwhile, assuming Obamacare works as planned, demand for doctors is about to shoot up.

    Who knows, though, maybe the scheme won't work as planned?
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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    You nailed it deuce.

    Healthcare isn't a simple issue of supply and demand, especially when you consider how massively inefficient out healthcare delivery system is right now in the US.

    We spend much, much more per capita than any other nation in the World and get much less for it. The ACA is the beginning step to solve that issue. If ACOs work the way I think they will (and have been for the last few years), we should see bending of that long term cost curve. And that's one of the whole points of the ACA.
    Right, who needs to think about supply and demand?
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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Well, I sort of agree with you. But I cannot help but point to Medicare. As a stand-alone program, it is a failure. And while Medicare itself has undoubtedly brought costs down, I'm pretty sure, in the private market, it's had a large hand in driving costs up.
    Take a look at a time series of U.S. healthcare spending:



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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by wbcoleman View Post
    Take a look at a time series of U.S. healthcare spending:



    What the hell is the significance of 1965?
    I wish I could lay an inflation graph over that...and a GDP graph over that. As a stand-alone, I'm not sure it tells us much. But I could be wrong.
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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I wish I could lay an inflation graph over that...and a GDP graph over that. As a stand-alone, I'm not sure it tells us much. But I could be wrong.
    You don't need an inflation adjustment for a ratio like this one.
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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Just had a chat Friday with the manager of my main supplier. He was trying to work out how to manage the 16 part time employees he will need to operate. Two of his best guys just quit because they need full time jobs to feed their families. But this store is doing this NOW instead of later. The reason, as this manager was told by corporate, is because they want to establish themselves as the employee's primary job. See, they know that the result of this will be that medium to large companies will do away with most full time employees and a lot of people will instead have 2 part time jobs, no benefits, and will either work more hours or take home less money. They are establishing themselves as the primary employer now so that they don't have to deal with managing the schedules of their employee's other jobs. It will be up to the employees to find someone else who can work around them instead.

    The added benefit for employers is that they get the same leash employers have used for decades at a lower cost. In fact, the employer can drop your insurance plan AND pay you less.

    See, in the past people thought their employer was paying for their health insurance. They weren't really,it was all part of the cost of employment, but it was a pain to leave your employer's plan and then have to go to the plan your new employer so people will put up with more crap on the job in order to keep their job. For people like me it means I can hire somebody part time and pay him less than he is probably worth because I have a carrot. I can be flexible and work around his other job schedule. So I get to pay part time wages and NOT have to pay for their insurance. You think I'm the only guy who has thought about this?

    The supplier is O'Reilly Auto Parts, and this policy is nation wide. Enjoy that new health care, wage slaves.

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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I wish I could lay an inflation graph over that...and a GDP graph over that. As a stand-alone, I'm not sure it tells us much. But I could be wrong.
    I'm thinking there may be a lot of variables in play in that chart. For instance in 1965 people didn't get $250,000 worth of cancer treatment, they went home and died. Aside from that, people in general didn't live as long either.

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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    I'm thinking there may be a lot of variables in play in that chart. For instance in 1965 people didn't get $250,000 worth of cancer treatment, they went home and died. Aside from that, people in general didn't live as long either.
    There is a reason that 1965 is the start year. Think about it.
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