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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

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    Obama was elected by a clear majority of the American people who voted. And I'd love Obamacare, if only O were white!
    this is an excellent piece as well WB ... O.K., that's it ... you take it from here ...

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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

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    You've spent most of the thread constantly repeating the lame excuse that Barack Obama, President of the United States and owner of The Bully Pulpit, has been the helpless victim of "misinformation". Even if the criticisms of Obamacare were that -- and they are NOT -- the question remains, why can't the silver-tongued O refute the misinformation? It obviously isn't his fault!

    "So, there is a disconnect, not to mention scare tactics and misinformation being thrown at them"

    "I am as well. Far too much misinformation floating around."

    "Sadly it is certainly true the misinformation is doing better in reaching the public than Obama's arguments in favor of it. I think these polls show that."

    "It would be if it wasn't the truth. Misinformation is very, very hard to get around. Nothing is harder than to educate someone on something he THINKS he knows."

    "Like I said, some are easily swayed by the rhetoric, the spin, and the silliness."

    "You're shocked by this? Misinformation rules this country."
    Victim? No. Never said that. I said there's a lot of misinformation out there. We can talk about death panels or even the more recent misleading stuff from Forbes. These are just facts. Says nothing about Obama's ability.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by windowdressing View Post
    read the study by the two poltical scientists from georgia ... I can't do everything for you ... that's a problem with cons ... typically they expect others to do things for them that they should be doing for themselves ... but O.K. ... you may find this interesting (and keep in mind that the Republicans have moved so far to the right that even Reagan would look like a liberal today) ...

    Study: Obama Most Conservative Democratic President in Recent History |

    still, I'd go to the original work by Poole ... let me know what you find ...
    The link reveals NOTHING to support the claim. You tell me what I'm missing. The graph is nothing more than an assertion.
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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

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    Victim? No. Never said that. I said there's a lot of misinformation out there. We can talk about death panels or even the more recent misleading stuff from Forbes. These are just facts. Says nothing about Obama's ability.
    O has had four years to refute what you characterize as misinformation. There's a good reason that Sarah Palin's term "death panels" has stuck.
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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by wbcoleman View Post
    Obama was elected by a clear majority of the American people who voted. And I'd love Obamacare, if only O were white!
    O.K., O.K. ... I lied ... this is an excerpt from the article I recommended ...

    Here are a few examples of Obama's effective conservatism:


    His stimulus bill was half the size that his advisers thought necessary;
    He continued Bush’s war and national security policies without change and even retained Bush’s defense secretary;
    He put forward a health plan almost identical to those that had been supported by Republicans such as Mitt Romney in the recent past, pointedly rejecting the single-payer option favored by liberals;
    He caved to conservative demands that the Bush tax cuts be extended without getting any quid pro quo whatsoever;
    And in the past few weeks he has supported deficit reductions that go far beyond those offered by Republicans.


    Read more at Barack Obama: The Democrats

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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by wbcoleman View Post
    The link reveals NOTHING to support the claim. You tell me what I'm missing. The graph is nothing more than an assertion.
    keep reading ... and relax ... not good to go to sleep wound up ...

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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The health wasn't what they wanted. Remember the public option, for example. Or how about losing Gitmo?
    Right, O-care isn't what you wanted, therefore the Democratic majority couldn't pass anything. If only! And they passed legislation relating to Gitmo, too!
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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by windowdressing View Post
    keep reading ... and relax ... not good to go to sleep wound up ...
    I read the whole link. There's nothing there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by windowdressing View Post
    read the study by the two poltical scientists from georgia ... I can't do everything for you ... that's a problem with cons ... typically they expect others to do things for them that they should be doing for themselves ... but O.K. ... you may find this interesting (and keep in mind that the Republicans have moved so far to the right that even Reagan would look like a liberal today) ...

    Study: Obama Most Conservative Democratic President in Recent History |

    still, I'd go to the original work by Poole ... let me know what you find ...
    Interesting, but he's stretching hard. He is comparing Obama to the RINOs, then declaring Obama a "centrist".

    Calling ocare "conservative" bc of the mandate requires personal responsibility doesn't work. A true conservative position is getting gov out of healthcare, not increasing gov's role in healthcare. Forcing people to purchase government subsidized healthcare is about the furthest thing possible from conservative ideology. Sure, if Mitt Romney is the standard for "conservative", the author has a point.

    With the economic issues, the author is doing the same thing. Comparing Obama to RINOs.

    As for Obama’s economic stimulus policies, the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 drew on many conservative ideas; in fact, one of economists’ chief critiques of the bill was that it was too reliant on inefficient tax cuts (which Democrats inserted in a futile effort to gain substantial GOP backing) and too light on large-scale infrastructure spending.
    Really?? The $850 bil stimulus package "drew on many conservative ideas"?

    The author also doesn't take into account the GOP controlled house Obama has dealt with for more than half his term. He also omits the gov takeover of US corporations. Which dem presidents have done that?

    I'd really like to see the methods in which the author quantifies the data.

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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by wbcoleman View Post
    O has had four years to refute what you characterize as misinformation. There's a good reason that Sarah Palin's term "death panels" has stuck.
    No, there is no good nor valid nor even honest reason for the death Panel so much as mentioned let alone sticking. Period.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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