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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by Dapper Andy View Post
    Just so we're clear the reality, as you see it, is we're going to add thirty million new people who pay nothing into the system without increasing cost or wait times?

    Yeah. That sounds about right.
    No. That's not what I said at all. I clearly gave my opinion on every tax increase, and ended the post by saying I thought it was worth it. Perhaps you've never had to buy your own insurance. Or perhaps you don't want any. I do want it. My insurance premium is outrageous because I have pre-existing conditions. I've had to purchase my health insurance throughout my whole life since I've always been an entrepreneur.

    I know first-hand what it costs. If your employer helps pay for yours, you have no IDEA what it costs. You're about to find out. When people begin to realize what their insurance premiums cost them, they will start using our healthcare services more judiciously. Until then, we're screwed.

    As to MY premiums? Until I got into Illinois' ICHIP program, my monthly insurance premium was $850.00 a month and rising at the rate of 15% per year. Through ICHIP, my premium dropped to $670. Most people couldn't even afford that premium so they would go without. And risk losing every penny they had.

    Obamacare isn't perfect; it will be tweaked. But it is sorely needed and I'm glad it's here...for many more reasons than I've discussed here.
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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    That approval rating is going to go up as soon as people understand how it's going to effect them. Our government has done a piss-poor job of bringin' it on home.
    Can I etch this quote in stone, and mail it to you in 20 years?

    I am quite certain you will eat your words Ms. Maggie.

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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by StringBean View Post
    Can I etch this quote in stone, and mail it to you in 20 years?

    I am quite certain you will eat your words Ms. Maggie.
    I've been wrong before.

    I'll watch my mailbox.
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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Obamacare isn't perfect; it will be tweaked.
    This was the original theory. Who knew that the public would hate the scheme so much that they would immediately vote out the Democratic majority in the House. So, who exactly is going to enact these necessary "tweaks"???
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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by wbcoleman View Post
    You're talking about the tax increases and the decreased access to doctors, right?
    Only in the world of Libertopia would more people having health insurance equate to "decreased access to doctors."
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    It is simple economics. Demand increases...supply decreases or stays the same...what happens to price? It goes up.
    Why do you think supply would decrease? We're going to run out of healthcares?

    Are you telling me the magical, benevolent hand of the hallowed free market wont react to an increase in price with an increase in supply?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    That approval rating is going to go up as soon as people understand how it's going to effect them. Our government has done a piss-poor job of bringin' it on home.
    I believe the **** is going to hit the fan when people have to actually hire someone to explain to them how they can stay compliant with the law.
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    Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Why do you think supply would decrease? We're going to run out of healthcares?

    Are you telling me the magical, benevolent hand of the hallowed free market wont react to an increase in price with an increase in supply?
    You nailed it deuce.

    Healthcare isn't a simple issue of supply and demand, especially when you consider how massively inefficient out healthcare delivery system is right now in the US.

    We spend much, much more per capita than any other nation in the World and get much less for it. The ACA is the beginning step to solve that issue. If ACOs work the way I think they will (and have been for the last few years), we should see bending of that long term cost curve. And that's one of the whole points of the ACA.
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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    You nailed it deuce.

    Healthcare isn't a simple issue of supply and demand, especially when you consider how massively inefficient out healthcare delivery system is right now in the US.

    We spend much, much more per capita than any other nation in the World and get much less for it. The ACA is the beginning step to solve that issue. If ACOs work the way I think they will (and have been for the last few years), we should see bending of that long term cost curve. And that's one of the whole points of the ACA.
    Well, I sort of agree with you. But I cannot help but point to Medicare. As a stand-alone program, it is a failure. And while Medicare itself has undoubtedly brought costs down, I'm pretty sure, in the private market, it's had a large hand in driving costs up.
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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Well, I sort of agree with you. But I cannot help but point to Medicare. As a stand-alone program, it is a failure. And while Medicare itself has undoubtedly brought costs down, I'm pretty sure, in the private market, it's had a large hand in driving costs up.
    You're pretty sure, are you? Based on what?

    And how come Canada's Medicare system costs even less than ours while pretty much not having a private market at all?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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