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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by wbcoleman View Post
    Romney's promise to repeal the scheme was absolute and unambiguous.
    Oh do tell . Cite evidence in the large space below about romney's "absolute and unambiguous" promise to repeal obamacare.









    (of course, what we'll likely get is a political promise from romney to repeal obamacare, which may right wingers naively assume is genuine, even though romney's actual political record suggests the opposite, but we'll wait and see ! )

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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

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    And republicans hated Obama's plan so much, they choose Romney as the candidate, the single candidate whose system was most like Obama's.
    With the Obama cheering media to engaging in political assassination of character against conserviative Republicans and the mess we have in choosing a canidate for a Party in the Presidential Primaries one cannot really expect better.
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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by wbcoleman View Post
    The greatest orator since Cicero!!!
    WTF? I certainly never made that claim, and it fails to back your claim that the "public hates the scheme because they understand it all too well". You assumed the public knows it well, but nearly half don't know it is the law.....so this trying to play both sides simultaneously saying they all know it because he owns the "bully pulpit"....and then blaming the lack of knowledge on his oration...shows your absolute lack of conviction on either point.

    Your attempt to turn the argument backfired completely.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    Oh do tell . Cite evidence in the large space below about romney's "absolute and unambiguous" promise to repeal obamacare.

    (of course, what we'll likely get is a political promise from romney to repeal obamacare, which may right wingers naively assume is genuine, even though romney's actual political record suggests the opposite, but we'll wait and see ! )
    I'm not saying a word about Romney's previous political record. I'm not trying to defend his credibility in general. I am saying that, precisely due to his weak credibility, Romney had no choice but to issue unambiguous and unconditional promises to repeal Obamacare, promises so strong that to renege would mean the instantaneous implosion of his administration.
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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    With the Obama cheering media to engaging in political assassination of character against conserviative Republicans and the mess we have in choosing a canidate for a Party in the Presidential Primaries one cannot really expect better.
    Right. There was no credible alternative to Romney.
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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    WTF? I certainly never made that claim, and it fails to back your claim that the "public hates the scheme because they understand it all too well". You assumed the public knows it well, but nearly half don't know it is the law.....so this trying to play both sides simultaneously saying they all know it because he owns the "bully pulpit"....and then blaming the lack of knowledge on his oration...shows your absolute lack of conviction on either point.

    Your attempt to turn the argument backfired completely.
    Right, no one on the left ever claimed that O could move the masses with his eloquence.

    Come to think of it, it's been so long since he's made even a minimally adequate speech on any subject, we all HAVE forgotten, haven't we?
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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by wbcoleman View Post
    Right, no one on the left ever claimed that O could move the masses with his eloquence.

    Come to think of it, it's been so long since he's made even a minimally adequate speech on any subject, we all HAVE forgotten, haven't we?
    Ah, OK, you are back to sarcastically talking out of both sides of your mouth, he is Plato, he is insignificant....boing boing boing.

    Let me know when you have a substantive point.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Ah, OK, you are back to sarcastically talking out of both sides of your mouth, he is Plato, he is insignificant....boing boing boing.

    Let me know when you have a substantive point.
    Look, I have lived or worked in O's Illinois state senate district for thirty years. I personally know people who worked him at the University of Chicago Law School, in the Illinois Senate, and who lived next door to him in East View Park. There is no question of his pure genius in promoting his own political career. Even I was moved by his rhetoric in 2004-2008. But if anything in the world is now clear, it's that there is no there there.

    In 2009-2010 Obama attempted to promote the healthcare scheme and failed. He lied his ass off but still couldn't sell it. He hasn't been able to sell it since. This is really beyond dispute.
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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by wbcoleman View Post
    Look, I have lived or worked in O's Illinois state senate district for thirty years. I personally know people who worked him at the University of Chicago Law School, in the Illinois Senate, and who lived next door to him in East View Park. There is no question of his pure genius in promoting his own political career. Even I was moved by his rhetoric in 2004-2008. But if anything in the world is now clear, it's that there is no there there.

    In 2009-2010 Obama attempted to promote the healthcare scheme and failed. He lied his ass off but still couldn't sell it. He hasn't been able to sell it since. This is really beyond dispute.
    You are starting to sound like a member of the 42% previously cited....it did not fail, he got it passed. It is being implemented as we speak. No doubt the PR war against it that we are witnessing is amazing, but it is a done deal.

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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    I believe this article will highlight that Obama Care will become even more unpopular:

    Coverage may be unaffordable for low-wage workers under ObamaCare | Fox News


    The main point is that with the law companies can (1) offer a healthcare plan that is 9.5% or less of an employes income (example $21,000 would be $1,995) and would be still too expensive due to cost of living also the deductible can be $3000.00 before the insurance would cover costs. (2) Being offered a health care plan by their employer the are not eligible to apply for individual coverage in systems allowed by the government. (3) Is not eligible for Medicade coverage due to having an income that is higher $15,900.
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