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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And republicans hated Obama's plan so much, they choose Romney as the candidate, the single candidate whose system was most like Obama's.
    Are you making the claim that Romney would have implemented a federal healthcare system similar to Obamacare had he been elected? What evidence do you have of this?

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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    "Congress on the whole" is not specific. In order to be specicific you have to be specific. In other words you need to name names,This you cannot do. You may be 'convinced" yet you offer no evidence, only your beliefs.
    Actually, that's just silly. You really want hundreds if names?

    No, another belief of yours that is in error.
    No, read his speech. The facts are the facts.

    Then he should have voted No before he voted Yes.
    Everyone should have voted no, but lets not pretend he didn't do exactly what he sad he'd do.

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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Really? Another 'belief' of yours?

    All Leftists have are their beliefs, and reality seldom intrudes.
    No, it's pretty clear for all to see.

    You're trying to argue with stereotypes again? It's really sad when epode do that.

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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Are you making the claim that Romney would have implemented a federal healthcare system similar to Obamacare had he been elected? What evidence do you have of this?
    No. I claim he wouldn't have stopped the current reform. No one has implemented a federal healthcare system. Try to focus on reality and not the hyperbolic misinformation.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Are you making the claim that Romney would have implemented a federal healthcare system similar to Obamacare had he been elected? What evidence do you have of this?
    I don't think Romney would have been able to do anything about it if he were president. Obama-care was already voted on BEFORE he ran as a presidential nominee. Him being president on that alone would not have been able to change anything.

    Now if you want to go on the hypothesis of Romney being president and the GOP having control of the House and Senate that is another story. But Romney being president alone would not have changed ANYTHING in regards to Obamacare with everything else being like it is now.

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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Nobody read the bill, this is what happens.
    Totally false. Insurance cos. read the bill and they liked it.

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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    There's nothing wrong w/trying to implement universal health care. But such an insurance system, esp. if it entails mandatory coverage, needs to be accountable the doctors and patients that will fall under the provisions of that system. With obamacare, that isn't possible. No where in the law is there any mechanism for insurance co. coverage requirements to be enforced.

    The federal gummint certainly can't enforce obamacare, because the federal gummint is controlled (via lobby) by the same insurance cos. that fall under its provisions. The only way for it to be enforced is for patients and doctors to be able to sue insurance cos. for malicious denials and then have the legal fees paid for in cases of victory. And obamacare doesn't allow that.

    Therefore, for all practical purposes, obamacare is nothing more than an unregulated, taxpayer-subsidized oligopoly of insurance providers. And as every student in First Year economics knows, oligopolies are always bad for the consumers.

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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    Totally false. Insurance cos. read the bill and they liked it.
    They read the entire bill? And we are talking about the people passing the bill.
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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    They read the entire bill?
    Their lawyers did.

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    And we are talking about the people passing the bill.
    Yes, the insurance cos. passed the bill after their lawyers read it.

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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    Their lawyers did.



    Yes, the insurance cos. passed the bill after their lawyers read it.
    Um, do you even know what you are talking about? We are talking about Congress, the Representatives and Senators did not read this bill.
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