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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Doesn't matter. Those who voted knew what was in it.
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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Like I said, some are easily swayed by the rhetoric, the spin, and the silliness. Do you believe she is representative and do you always believe her?

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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    its not like the health care system was a paragon of excellence before reform. you can't undo medicare because it is a debt. not a financial debt but a debt to society.

    how will you explain to the people promised the benefits of medicare that taking away the program and throwing the entire health care system to the wolfs known as the free market would benifit them?
    So you want to take money that would go to Medicare and use it for Obama care and leave the seniors out in the cold? (No wolfs need apply. )
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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    medical equipment is expensive. medical bills are expensive. malpractice insurance is expensive for doctors and they give mutiple tests to prevent being sold and the medical bills of those tests is expensive. insurance is expensive. all of this exists and that is the result of the free market.
    The bold part I have a problem with. Observe:


    medical equipment is expensive --- If medical equipment were made by the Federal Government it would probably be 20 years behind and likely for twice as much for a modern piece of equipment. Keep in mind that all medical equipment that is used in the USA does go through FDA for approval and some of that is in proving the safety and utility of said equipment. Perhaps the costs could go down if the process is streamlined somewhat.

    medical bills is expensive --- This is due in part due to insurance offered by employers which distorts how the free market would respond. The employer offered healthcare insurance is due to tax policies that did not count insurance as income and was a way to offer employees as a way to avoid higher income tax brackets back then and thus is not indicative of a free market.


    malpractice insurance is expensive for doctors and they give mutiple tests to prevent being sold [sic (sued)] --- It should be noted that tort actions are government involvement and is not part of the free market. It should be noted that Obama was against limiting tort liability.


    AND the medical bills of those tests is expensive (the previous) --- A better term would be unessasary if it was just to avoid a tort litigation.


    insurance is expensive --- Government at the State level was heavily involved in it before Obamacare so that should be expected. Np free market there.




    people grow old, and people are more susceptable to sickness if they are elderly. easy pickings for the insurance industry

    You got that backward old people cost more and are a burden to the insurance industry and Obama care's death panels would address the issue.
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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not Obama. Not enough to reverse the law. Explain that.

    Romney care = Obama care
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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    Romney care = Obama care
    And republicans hated Obama's plan so much, they choose Romney as the candidate, the single candidate whose system was most like Obama's.

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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And republicans hated Obama's plan so
    much, they choose Romney as the candidate, the single candidate whose system was most like Obama's.
    The distinction between the two was apparent.

    Romney would have left it up to the States.

    A decision that would have adhered to the Constitution.

    Obama's intent was never about providing health care to the needy by the way, or repairing "the broken " system we had.

    Which is exceddingly OBVIOUS seeing how ObamaCare has made things much much worse.

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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    The distinction between the two was apparent.

    Romney would have left it up to the States.

    A decision that would have adhered to the Constitution.

    Obama's intent was never about providing health care to the needy by the way, or repairing "the broken " system we had.

    Which is exceddingly OBVIOUS seeing how ObamaCare has made things much much worse.
    Tell yourself what you must, but Romney would have changed little. All that would have changed would be republican hyperbole.

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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I they the they refers quite specifically to congress on the whole. This doesn't seem to be too difficult or shocking. You may find a person or three who didn't, but that is meaningless. I convinced most knew exactly what they were voting for.
    "Congress on the whole" is not specific. In order to be specicific you have to be specific. In other words you need to name names,This you cannot do. You may be 'convinced" yet you offer no evidence, only your beliefs.

    And while you use a nice sound bite for Kerry, it is also a dishonest one.
    No, another belief of yours that is in error.
    Any honest person who read what he said before his vote on Iraq knows he stated clearly before voting he would oppose action taken outside of the UN. Partisans are all too often dishonest with these things and rely on sound bites over actual content.
    Then he should have voted No before he voted Yes.

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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Tell yourself what you must, but Romney would have changed little. All that would have changed would be republican hyperbole.
    Really? Another 'belief' of yours?

    All Leftists have are their beliefs, and reality seldom intrudes.

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