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    Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by wbcoleman View Post
    Why start with a scheme guaranteed to bust the budget and discourage employment? You know, much of the public seems to have figured this out.
    That would be a bad idea. That's why he did the opposite.

    The ACA should help control Medicare costs in the long run, as well as increase employment by giving people the opportunity to be mobile in the job market because they can get insurance that's not employer based. It's a lot easier to quit your job and start a business if you don't need to be employed for health care.
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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

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    I Googled 146% rate increase and was taken to an article about California's exchange premiums. I quickly admit my error, as that kind of increase is astronomical. The fact that it's hard numbers can't be disputed. We're in for a rough ride. I now agree.

    I still believe we need universal healthcare, however. Hopefully, they can tweak Obamacare and bring these costs down. It's not easy to do because there are no exclusions allowed for pre-existing conditions. Still, every American deserves to be able to purchase healthcare insurance. Perhaps it will become more affordable....?? It has stifled our economy quite long enough.
    I'm not finding anything credible on this. Ours is going up 2%. Seems there must be something fundamentally wrong in Califorina if this is remotely true. Something I doubt.

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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I Googled 146% rate increase and was taken to an article about California's exchange premiums. I quickly admit my error, as that kind of increase is astronomical. The fact that it's hard numbers can't be disputed. We're in for a rough ride. I now agree.

    I still believe we need universal healthcare, however. Hopefully, they can tweak Obamacare and bring these costs down. It's not easy to do because there are no exclusions allowed for pre-existing conditions. Still, every American deserves to be able to purchase healthcare insurance. Perhaps it will become more affordable....?? It has stifled our economy quite long enough.

    Late last week, a post by Avik Roy on possible increases to health insurance premiums in California went viral. So viral, in fact, that it was apparently Forbes’ fastest ever to reach a million page views:

    This is @forbes‘ fastest post to hit 1M pageviews. Cheers, @avik!forbes.com/sites/theapoth…
    — Kate Pierce (@Kate_Pierce) June 1, 2013

    It’s pretty easy to see why. The headline asserts that the Affordable Care Act could drive individual insurance premiums in California up by as much as 146%, and contrasts with a report from California that showed that premiums would rise by less than what was expected.

    While people don’t understand the law particularly well, they do understand what they pay for health insurance.
    One problem: That number, the number that Drudge Report, The Daily Caller, and others picked up is misleading.

    The Viral Post Predicting Massive Obamacare Rate Shock Doesn’t Tell The Whole Story | Business Insider Australia

    Thought you might be interested.

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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Late last week, a post by Avik Roy on possible increases to health insurance premiums in California went viral. So viral, in fact, that it was apparently Forbes’ fastest ever to reach a million page views:

    This is @forbes‘ fastest post to hit 1M pageviews. Cheers, @avik!forbes.com/sites/theapoth…
    — Kate Pierce (@Kate_Pierce) June 1, 2013

    It’s pretty easy to see why. The headline asserts that the Affordable Care Act could drive individual insurance premiums in California up by as much as 146%, and contrasts with a report from California that showed that premiums would rise by less than what was expected.

    While people don’t understand the law particularly well, they do understand what they pay for health insurance.
    One problem: That number, the number that Drudge Report, The Daily Caller, and others picked up is misleading.

    The Viral Post Predicting Massive Obamacare Rate Shock Doesn’t Tell The Whole Story | Business Insider Australia

    Thought you might be interested.
    Great job, Boo. Just shows that the administration as well as states haven't been that effective in getting the correct information out there. I'm sure that's part of the problem.
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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Great job, Boo. Just shows that the administration as well as states haven't been that effective in getting the correct information out there. I'm sure that's part of the problem.
    I am as well. Far too much misinformation floating around.

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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    That would be a bad idea. That's why he did the opposite.

    The ACA should help control Medicare costs in the long run, as well as increase employment by giving people the opportunity to be mobile in the job market because they can get insurance that's not employer based. It's a lot easier to quit your job and start a business if you don't need to be employed for health care.
    Obamacare is loaded with disincentives to employment. We know this because companies have already announced plans to cut back.
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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Great job, Boo. Just shows that the administration as well as states haven't been that effective in getting the correct information out there. I'm sure that's part of the problem.
    O holds the bully pulpit. He's had three plus years to make the case, but fish ain't biting.
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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Sounds like the no-accepted insurance market it picking up...

    Cash-only doctors abandon the insurance system - Jun. 11, 2013

    Under the traditional health insurance system, a large staff was required just to navigate all the paperwork, he said. That resulted in high overhead, forcing doctors like Nunamaker to take on more patients to cover costs. Plus, the amount insurance companies were willing to pay for procedures was declining, leading to a vicious cycle.
    "The paperwork, the hassles, it just got to be overwhelming," Nunamaker said. "We knew that we had to find a better way to practice."

    So Nunamaker and his partner set up a membership-based practice called Atlas M.D. -- a nod to free-market champion Ayn Rand's book Atlas Shrugged. Under the membership plan -- also known as "concierge" medicine -- each patient pays a flat monthly fee to have unlimited access to the doctors and any service they can provide in the office, such as EKGs or stitches.

    The fee varies depending on age. For kids, it's $10 a month. For adults up to age 44, it's $50 a month. Senior citizens pay $100.

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    Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by wbcoleman View Post
    Obamacare is loaded with disincentives to employment. We know this because companies have already announced plans to cut back.
    While I'm sure you are sure of this, it would be helpful to see actual facts, rather than your possibly uninformed thoughts.
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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    That would be a bad idea. That's why he did the opposite.

    The ACA should help control Medicare costs in the long run, as well as increase employment by giving people the opportunity to be mobile in the job market because they can get insurance that's not employer based. It's a lot easier to quit your job and start a business if you don't need to be employed for health care.
    Medical costs will not come down because the bureaucracy will increase substantially. The IRS has already hired 2,000 more agents to investigate claims and many thousands, or millions, will be hired as well to police the American public. All you need do is look to other systems, like the NHS in Britain, to see the future. It's not that difficult to predict.

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